Nokia Phi WP8 seen in Nokia design Patent. Mid-range Nokia ‘arrow’ coming too.
The much anticipated Nokia Phi was seen again this time in a Nokia Design patent.
It’s still very much that Lumia style design, but continuing to refine and minimise the coloured polycarbonate edge to maximise space.
Whilst the phone could potentially be the same size as the Nokia Lumia 900, the face could accomodate a larger screen.
- http://www.liveside.net/2012/08/23/nokia-phi-windows-phone-8-device-confirmed-via-design-patent/
- http://www.theverge.com/2012/8/23/3259828/nokia-arrow-phi-lumia-windows-phone
TheVerge also mention something called Nokia Arrow, a mid-range Lumia. Both Phi and Arrow will come to AT&T first, with a variant of Arrow, called Atlas, heading to Verizon.
Cheers pezman726 for the tip!
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The Verge stated no curved glass in this one, if I remember correctly, but you can definitely see the curved glass from these sketches “shadows”
Curved glass was indeed mentioned
But how come Nokia is the only one who’s products are almost 100% leaked always before the release?
cause they are fucking idiots
No they`re not.
Btw was it you who lost the iphone prototype at the bar some while ago ? Just saying that it is a finnish marketing act 100% copied and Nokia should sue appl for every penny for using it
do you honestly still believe that shit after steve jobs told people they where holding there symmetrical phone wrong …… >.> please don’t believe the bullshit..specially from corporations cause they are 5 years ahead of our current tech plus don’t that have GPSs in all their devices ….COMMON SENSE..think about
R u fucking wasted ?
are you stupid…..EVERY COMPANY KNOWS WTF THEY ARE DOING AND WHAT THEY DO and where they all are with their devices….it’s called MARKETING PLOY
Of course they do.
Building up hype is not that stupid…
“don’t that have GPSs in all their devices”
WTF do you mean by this ?
I don`t get it, I guess I`m stupid but please explain I am eager to learn.
These M$ followers are insane.. There is no Nokia anymore but Microsh*t.. M$ will ditch Nokia anytime they want. I have bought Nokias phones since 1993. No More M$ phones ( dont have one, never will have one)
+808 deep space bar!
Wow, really, I thought you were a lot younger for some reason.
Probably the maturity level of his posts?
iPhone5?
iPhone 4: Leaked months ago.
iPhone 4S: Leaked months ago (but nobody believed it then).
iPhone 5: Leaked months ago???
Is “months before” better than “months ago” in this case?
Yes.
I think you can also see the curve on the yellow/green Phi prototype photo above. It is just that the curve may be more of the subtle 808 type, than the distinct N9 kind it seems?
I’m still waiting for conclusive evidence on the size, but even I must admit the 4.7″ rumor is gathering steam. It just seems to me that some sites are scaling and posting and using the prototype leaks a little too liberally in their Photoshops…
I have to say that the yeallow/green pics of Phi have always looked fake and not only because of the old win logo but there are many things off in those pics… just saying. Soon we will see
I don’t think it is fake. I think it is an older proto and the new display plate we saw with the new logo (that clearly seems to fit the same phone) seems to support this. I think the big question is how big is the screen, some blogs have scaled the same piece wildly differently – some even in two different sizes thinking the display and the Phi above are different products. The NOKIA logo scaled to completely different sizes in many cases…
The truth is out there, but very muddy at the moment. We must wait for more.
But why are the colors so off, why is the hd screen so scrambled why are the edges so off, why is the nokia logo so all over the place. Oh why why why… The truth is out there
I still think we may be looking at a Lumia “820″, not a Lumia “920″ in these pictures…
+1 I’m not so sure it is bigger than 4″. But I did no analysis.
I agree. Its not too far to wait to see the real thing.
no pv bump
There is hope that the banana shaped WP8PV leak is original and that would be the show stopper come 5.9.
The downside is that I would have to buy that in addition to already owning the 808…
yes it would be a show stopper for sure,
the upside to your downside of having to buy another pv, would be that the stock price greatly increases
Maybe, maybe not, I still think the form factor would make it a niche device…but perfect for me. Btw the stocks I buy are for the long haul 4-10yrs, so no hurry.
Get a life, 808 with bumb will outperform your illusional M$ pureview lite.. Get a life, you are not a Nokia Fan, just M$ fan.. Just deal with it.. I have bought Nokia phones since 1993.. You are a pathetic M$ Troll, not Nokia fan at all
Jari man you are pretty far behind in the grieving process around here
actually i’m a tech fan,
my first second third fourth etc phone was nokia.
now i have an iphones, macbook and imac,
the only ms product i have is the xbox, office,
oh and my life is very nice indeed, i have no complaints about who i am and the life i have.
but tell me the real reason why you are so mad?
+pen or no
Looks like the same crappy L800/900/N9 camera :’(
Also don’t know how I feel about the curved back…
Well, if you think back to the times when the Pureview 808 design patents were “leaked”, then you might remember that it was not very tempting in those drawings either. So don’t get too disappointed at this stage
How can you tell what the camera quality is like from looking at these pics?
MMM… They wanna PV… and for we Know, there must be a bump on the back
… Most people here will be fine if there is a N8 like camera
It is still possible we are looking at the mid-range Nokia Arrow (Lumia 820?) here, not the high-end model Phi (Lumia 920?). Or that we are confused with the codenames. I’d place some percentage of a possibility for another model with 16-20 MPix PureView still coming on September 5th. I doubt it is this one though. I’d expect them to design around the camera a little more in that case, just well, because…
To me this looks like the new mid-range Lumia 800 replacement. But of course I have nothing but these (and the other) images to go by.
That’ll be the third model to be unveiled. 24 to 28 MP on that.
Yes, by now, two years after the N8 launch, I think it’s possible to make a camera as good or even better than that without the bump.
Honnestly, I preffer a very slim phone with a 12MP camera than a 41MP PureView with that big bump.
Ideal would be a 20MP PureView Light camera with the same dimensions as the N8 camera, but the phone itself would have to be slimmer.
if it took them 5 years to do what they did on symbian with a 41mp and a few years before that on the N8 it’s gonna be the same 8mp with PV nothing else nothing more
With 20mpix it would work, with less not not so good. What is the current max sensor size for droid or ios ? I would really like to know.
maybe be it’s 20mp i think cause now more cameras are running android as the OS base for camera…just like what Nokia wanted to do with Meego
on
GPSs
tablets
smartphones
TVs
childrens tablet
ect
Meego has just as much potential as Android but finnish which the USA doesn’t like
Please stop, you’re embarrassing for the Maemo/MeeGo supporters (me inc)…
You’re just creating ample opportunity for those more clued-up & better informed to trample MeeGo’s legacy or would’ve/could’ve even more.
Those who can counter (incognito etc) just don’t care any more, they’ve moved on, so should you, I know I am.
Yes, if there’s one thing the USA hates, it’s Finland. Ever since the Finnish-American War of 1898.
Your paranoia just takes away from the legitimate technical excellence and sadly unrealized potential of MeeGo
It isn’t ugly.
Maybe Ali knows something we don’t or…x-ray eyes.
Look at the frame for the lens (the silver thing in the middle) which will of course end up getting scratched like all other phones- no matter how big of a camera sensor there is a good camera needs a decent sized lens, and no decent self respecting lens would fit in that mini strip of stainless (but super scrathcable) steel.
Ali, I assume it’s taking design cues from previous Nokia phones. That curved back reminds of the X7 and the X2.
“TheVerge also mention something called Nokia Arrow, a mid-range Lumia. Both Phi and Arrow will come to AT&T first, with a variant of Arrow, called Atlas, heading to Verizon.”
They also mentioned the Arrow is coming to T-Mobile as well.
ON a side not, it bugs the crap out of me that AT&T manages to monopolise the high end for windows phone with the Lumia 900, Titan and Titan 2, Focus 2 etc all on the network exclusively, while T-mo gets “mid range” handsets. Lets face it, until recently, Sprint and Verizon haven’t cared. It’s bad for the platform in general so i’m glad that verizon is getting a handset, and I’m hoping that the mid-range Arrow is more upper mid range (thinkink like HTC One S vs One X). In the end I would really like Nokia to follow Samsung’s lead and get their flagship devices on at least 3 of the big 4 in the US, but I know as they are trying to get back into the market still, the carriers still have the upper hand at the negotiating table and AT&T has the customer-base and financial clout to demand exclusivity and get it.
So again the segmented/gradual launching and no words about availability in other countries? With this approach there is no way to cross even the low 10M mark some people are hoping for.
The low 10M mark? Oh please. It would be a huge achievement. Let’s not start the expectation management game.
An analyst report today said that Nokia needs to show 7M in Q4. I consider that too low to expect of Nokia. They need to show more in my opinion.
But 10M would be good, not low.
What do you mean by “start the expectation management game”? You are pitching these lowball numbers here for quite some time. Even if we forget where Nokia was when Elop jumped out of burning platform, 10M in Q4 means Lumia share for 2012 will be around the WP standard 2-3 % and the money bleeding will continue.
Look, we all know that Lumia has had a rough start, but I doubt by any measure we could call 10M in Q4 low. Not even iPhone, Symbian or Android grew that fast. Even most critics here are saying 10M would be a good result.
BTW: I’m not at all confident they will hit 10M, but that is what I expect of them to show healthy trajectory – especially if Q3 is a bust and if Microsoft gets the WP8 out in time for Q4. I’ll comment in time on what happens.
Actually, when corrected for size of market, Android and iOS grew faster than WP/Lumia.
It all depends on where you put your baseline. Relative to the disastrous WP performance I would say 10M in Q4 is really big number. However, if we are talking about Nokia being significant OEM smartphone player at least in short term, not to mention dreams about WP being viable ecosystem, 10M simply isn’t enough, not by a long shot.
no, no, no, android and ios didn’t grew faster than lumia. lumia has just 10 months of sale time. both ios and android were struggling in their first year, and even in the second
Yes they did. You are trying to invert the truth by refusing to correct the numbers for growing market and comparing Lumia, which is line of phones unveiled year after WP, with Android and iOS, which are operating systems.
RIM still stands firmly on their burning platform.
BTW: Samsung has recently announced they’re killing Bada and postponing Tizen devices.
“firmly” ?
Inderes is expecting 3,7m Lumias shipping in Q3 and I think that is not too far from the truth, hopefully they/I am wrong.
Q4/12 Lumia should be delivering 10m units, if it doesn`t it means that the WP8 launch was not good, whatever the reason (product/parts/supply etc.) would be.
Yeah, well on my “map” I placed a hope of 4-6M on Q3, with a fear of 1-6M on Q3. I’d call 3.7M a defensive victory, but in that case Q4 absolutely need to show big gains in the ballpark I’ve discussed. They need to show a healthy trajectory to remain believable.
My fear is that Nokia won’t reach that 3.7M in Q3, but sometimes I blame myself for being too pessimistic. Still, it just seems a lot to achieve considering at least a third of Q3 probably goes to the “after-WP8-Lumia announcement and before-WP8-Lumia sales” bust.
I suggest to keep the pessimistic approach with Nokia because then you don`t feel too bad when they mess up the big opportunities
“after-WP8-Lumia announcement and before-WP8-Lumia sales”
This is really starting to show in sales for L800/L900 in Aug. and towards until the WP8 has landed in shops. Still 3-5m Lumia units delivered in Q3 is not out of reach. I bought today L610 to my 6yr old who just started school…that is the 4th Lumia device in our household.
I have nothing but big hopes and wishes for Lumia WP8, but I have to say that when everyone was expecting a disastrous Q2 and billions of burned cash, it didn`t happen. Lumia sales were a tiny small part of that outcome.
+1
LOL at putting trust in microsoft
xbox failed
zune failed
vista failed
kin failed
MW failed …
W8 is even failing
i suggest you watch how they treat people very carefully….cause they love to screw people up
And on a side note 95% of companies & enterprises are using msft because it is the only one with, as decent as possible, fair terms and protection. All the others are just learning… +10 years back.
They don`t love to screw people up, they are learning to listen them.
no when ever server is run by linux cause MSFT sucks when it comes to viruses and being secure XD …nice attempt buddy
I dont think Xbox failed.
Also why are you just looking at fails,There is more success than fails,Win 7,Xp,Xbox Kinect,Office etc.
xbox is a success
vista was a success-400 million copies sold dude,sold not shipped
w8 – how about you wait on that.
and what is MW?
I’ bit at loss where you people think the Q4 sales will came from. If we assume WP7 sales will remain at 4M, this leaves 6M for WP8 in its first quarter. But so far it seems we’ll again see delayed launching of few midrange phones with limited availability, on top of that Elop is forced to do the one-phone-per-carrier gimmick, which will depress sales even further. I really don’t see how they can achieve 6M with those tactics. Last time they tried something like that with ATT, they didn’t get even one million.
nn:
By the way, my 10M for Q4 is not a projection. It is the ballpark I think Nokia needs to show for healthy growth, especially if Q3 is a bust.
Obviously that means I think they need to be faster with this launch than with the first Lumia generation and not trickle as much. 10M is a tall order, sure, but if they can get the products widely out there… And they should. (Not sure they will, though.)
Hmm… according to my own estimates
, if Nokia can keep similar sales as Q2 in Q4, and add to that about 2,5 million 800 & 900 series phones or more, they should be seeing profits from the smartphone section.
Personally, given less than (I) expected Q2 sales, and somewhat messed up Q3 sales, and stiff competition for Q4 sales, I’d say anything more than 7 million would be good, but I wouldn’t expect more than 8 million. 10 million? No way.
Bloob: Sure, if Nokia decides on a very conservative trickling ramp-up for WP8 Lumia, no way are they going to reach the 10M ballpark (I haven’t been saying they need to reach 10M exact, but somewhere up there).
But I think expecting them to do better than just trickle on the market isn’t unwarranted. They should do better than last year, they have had every opportunity to unless Microsoft significantly delays WP8 into later Q4, in which case the 10M ballpark expectation is obviously off.
Look, if Nokia can grow Q3, say to 5-6M range and then posts 7-8M in Q4, I would’t say they are doomed. I think they should do better, but whatever they do, they should show healthy trajectory up. I would want them to do better than that, though. And if Q3 drops way below Q2, then Q4 should do a lot, lot better to restore faith.
Now, 6M in Q3 and 10M in Q4, that would be vidication and a triumph. Realistically though, they won’t do that well. Q3 may drop below Q2 and Q4, well, a lot depends on what kind of launch/ramp-up strategy they have been able or willing to come up with. I hope they show they are able and willing…
I’m with you Chris. I will be sooooo annoyed if I can’t get the flagship device on TMobile. I don’t mean I need to buy it via TMobile, I just need to be able to buy it myself, pop in my SIM, and have it work!!
so basically this is what meego should have been on from before as we seen the 4 potential models :/…>.> jeez
http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2011/109/3/3/godzilla_facepalm_by_epicfacepalm6000-d3ecctr.jpg
http://mynokiablog.com/2012/08/09/family-of-meego-harmattan-devices-protoyped/ FOOL
let it go, you can’t turn back time.
i shut you up didn’t i
At least not me, you didn`t.
The design was/is very good (made by Nokia) but it doesn`t change the fact that Meego isn`t coming back with that design. Come up with something better with Jolla and I have no problems with that.
Btw the greatest thing Nokia has done in the recent past is putting the swipe UI to S40 series.
^ that last point i can agree with but there was no excuse to add that same level of UI transitions that s40 touch has on Symbian to make it look more appealing :/
Did they put the Swipe UI on S40? I did not notice.
Or you mean having 3 homescreens? 
ah, no you didn’t,
i just have other things to do in my life so i can’t always reply,
your endless complaints are nothing more but a sad face palm.
meego is gone, get used to it, get over it, move on, go to the jolla blog, oh wait…
You are M$ troll , Not genuine Nokia fan. You are just a joke.. wel.. M$ Joke as you want to be….
http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2011/109/3/3/godzilla_facepalm_by_epicfacepalm6000-d3ecctr.jpg
i believe in recycling.
Are you the Nokia pope who gets to determine who is and is not a Nokia fan?when Marko ahtisaari says he likes the glance able ambient information of WP, does that mean he is not a genuine Nokia fan?
You seriously have to move on…
Will you keep crying for meego for the rest of your life? Looks like you have lost a son or something!
i’ll wait for jolla to make nokia look like shit
And you wait among NOKIA fans… why?
+1
well if you hate nokia then you are not a nokia fan,
go wait at the jolla blog,
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Nokia-Finnish-investors-considering-gathering-signatures-to-get-CEO-Elop-sacked_id33611
why is this not on mynokiablog news
coz it will break all current records of most commented pos
Maybe because it isn’t still a reality… first those investors has to gather enough people with power just for making a call of attention…
My guess is that because nobody much is really taking it seriously. Not even the small investor association that they’re trying to get to do this. The chairman of the association found the bid unrealistic and also thought Elop wasn’t to blame for the majority of the fall (he did think the transitioning from Symbian was mishandled, like many of us think too).
What I find strange is the timing, though. Even the news reporting in Finland showed the absuridty, flanked between good news from Nokia, stock exchanges, analysts and operators. WP8 excitement is growing, the stock is growing. Firing Elop now when the stock is rallying up and Nokia is on the verge of a major announcement just smells sabotage to me. The time for any firings is after we see how the WP8 and Asha touch plays go. To see we will need to wait for the Q4 results, although Asha touch numbers might start trickling in the Q3 results as well (in limited fashion due to limited availability).
Nokia’s stock is up, what 70-80% since July.
hmm, +1
Because it would be absolutely idiotic thing to do at this point?
it would save them money…paying a fool to do nothing is nothing..cause paying a fool to do something is still the same as nothing
Because it has no relevance to reality.
Still 4.5€ avg so a long way to go to see profit but there are positive things going on.
This news is a total duck
+100 000 shares bought and paid for and not crying
Btw I am finnish. Also this is not a stock blog so I`ll shut up for now…
some analyst have been saying nok could be a 10 bagger
Most definitely it could be, if they succeed. The market has seriously bet on Nokia failing. Of course if WP8 fails to take off, all bets are off.
The stock is just going crazy on NASDAQ, +10.06% now. And this after several days of multi-percent raises.
yes its doing great, wish i had more stocks lols
i just really hope the news is good on september 5th otherwise it will crash again.
True.
Expecting the worst, hoping for the best, keeping chin to chest, waiting for the next downhill…
Oh the downhill will come, probably before September 5th already – perhaps to bounce back for September 5th… and then down again.
I think the biggest decider for an immediate post-5th up or down is the question of “when”, more so than what. When are the new Lumias in stores?
If it is late October, expect downwards. Any later, expect major downwards. If they’d surprise all and say on sale by the end of September (even if just on AT&T with RoW following later), the result might be reverse.
+1
so true
Not to say that there will not be a downhill but just going to say that NOK share value is traded based on Lumia sales and a possible bankruptcy… there are a couple of other things for NOK also. For eg. two largest mobile giants will be using Nokia maps and navigation by default.
I think I have posted about this in an earlier MNB posts so I will not repeat the whole shebang again
The stock closed (pre-after hours) in NASDAQ at $3.2, up 11.11%. This after days of raises too. Wow.
Will it plummet tomorrow?
Even more impressively (?) in an otherwise down Nasdaq and overall NYC market!
Wow what a reaction rate! I was fu*king slow…
looks to have more room for the camera with it’s curved back. Pure View on board I bet. Looks to have dual LED flash again
Is that curved back really much different from Lumia 900? To me it seems roughly the same. The front seems flatter with smaller plastic bezel and with the screen curving to the sides, so no raised bezel like the 900. But the back overall seems very similar to the curve in the Lumia 900.
I still can’t shake the feeling that we might be looking at the mid-range device here. The bottom bezel is big enough for a Verizon logo, it doesn’t seem a 4.65″-4.7″ incher… I guess we need more measurements made to speculate further, but personally I’m still giving it some thought this might be a Lumia 820. Could be totally wrong on this one, of course.
I did a very quick Photoshop measurement and assuming the keys and the camera box are same size as Lumia 900, this design patent is for a smaller phone than Lumia 900. Consistent perhaps with the rumors of a 4″ Lumia 820 or something to that effect.
Also the capacitive keys and the side keys are much larger in the “Phi” images in that WPDang “group shot”, and the Nokia logo is also a little bigger on the “Phi” than on the others. Suggesting the proto/patent design have been scaled to bigger than they should be.
So yes, I think it is still at least possible this is Nokia “Arrow” instead of “Phi” a 4″-4.3″ mid-range Lumia 800 replacement, or perhaps a model for Verizon because the big bezel on bottom is just made for that huge logo they like to put on things.
More measurements, on this device (according to design patent image):
Headphone jack width: 7,57% (of total width)
Micro-USB width: 12,12%
On the Lumia 900:
Headphone jack width: 5,89%
Micro-USB width: 10,3%
Signaling that Lumia 900 is notably wider than this one. Adding to my measurements above and in various past posts on MNB.
Even if we account a possibly smaller side-bezel, that would be more in line with a middle-range 4″-4.3″ device than a 4.7″.
If these images are accurate at all, I don’t think this phone is Phi, or if it is, it isn’t 4.7″.
+1
that gives hope that the real phi could have pv
One can dream.
It isn’t impossible.
You , M$ troll waiting for pureview lite.. Got Pureview Pro here.. Troll on..
Last I checked, Janne had 808. Wonder what’s your problem there?
I myself would like to see that tech propagate to other Nokia devices as well.
Yes, I bought the 808 on launch week. It is my DSLR-lite.
i think your my new fanboi,
so allow me to welcome you to my posts,
enjoy.
Whatever. You are M$ Troll, not a Nkia fan.. Enjoy M$ Trolling..
I found sharper photos to measure:
Headphone jack width: 6,7% (of total width)
Micro-USB width: 11,6%
On the Lumia 900 (measured from actual device):
Headphone jack width: 5,89%
Micro-USB width: 10,3%
Smaller percentages mean bigger device in this case.
So, still smaller than Lumia 900 suggesting a mid-range device with a 4-4.3″ device (Lumia 820?) in a slightly more diminutive casing than Lumia 900.
My measures, calculated using micro-usb port width of 7.5mm (bigger size is if that 7.5mm is inside white part of the microusb port in the patent picture, and smaller case size if 7.5mm is couple of pixels wider containing some black border pixels too)
Nokia Phi size is from
123 x 67 x 11.7
to
133 x 72 x 12.7 mm
Comparison data:
Lumia 900:
127.8 x 68.5 x 11.5 mm
HTC Titan:
131.5 x 70.7 x 9.9 mm
Lumia 800
116,5 x 61.2 x 12.1
and if all those microusb hole border pixels are included to be 7.5mm then this phone would be close to lumia 800 size.. but I think in the patent picture that is a hole for microusb port so 7.5mm port should fit in that hole and that is why the phone would be closer to size of HTC Titan/Lumia 900.
(all border pixels included measurements: 114x62x10.8mm)
Did you count the bezel around the headphone jack or just the 3.5mm jack ?
MY measure :
Headphone jack width: ~7,5% (of total width)
Nokia Lumia 900 ( with the bezel around the HJ) : ~ 7,2 %
Nokia Lumia 800 ( with the bezel around the HJ ) : ~ 8%
Smaller than l900 but bigger than l800
I think I counted the bezel too, I don’t remember. But thank you for the additional measurements, they sound solid too.
If that micro-USB hole is anything to go by, this might even be a N9/Lumia 800 sized device, with a slightly larger screen squeezed into similar dimensions.
I like that idea, N9/lumia 800 size is perfect for me. Not too big, not too small, just the right size.
The N9 design is beautiful AND unlike the iPhone’s design it is durable too, this is IMO where Nokia designers beat the iPhone designers. While the iPhone and the N9 are both very beautiful designs, the N9 can be used without any cases or anything… except that the back camera plate should’ve been matte metallic not shiny metallic, which scratches.
So I don’t mind if they keep it the same.
But they also should make a PureView phone… what happened to this,
http://withwindows.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/nokia-pureview-lumia-wp8-1.jpg
http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim/2012/04/06/LumiaPureView_1.jpg
I think the speculation concensus is that the pictures 41 MP PureView Pro Lumia would come spring 2013 the earliest.
What we are hoping for at best is a 16-20 MPix PureView not-Pro/lite version in a slimmer hero phone for this fall.
The 41mpix Lumia would be the perfect phone for me.
Currently I use the L800 on a daily bases (because it is more convienient to use) and when I go to travel I change to 808 (yes, I have Opera installed).
I would really like to have these two devices combined. Sooner the better.
Same here, with the exception that Lumia 900 is my current daily driver.
not for another 2 – 4 years sucker XD this is why linux based OSs are the best
solaris is better than linux
No effing way, try maintaining a HA/fail-over cluster using that crapware, it was great back in the day (I used it on some sites), but it’s been slipping big time in last 1-2yr.
Linux/FOSS isn’t always the best either, depends on the use case, but it sure as hell is far more versatile/reliable than Solaris nowadays.
(Solaris does still have a few awesome aspects, but they’re rapidly being replicated elsewhere)
I’m going to say .. ZFS. Call me when Linux has a filesystem I trust
Since it’s my own money depending on my customer’s data, I am not going to put it on ext3 (no end to end checksum) or play the freaking LVM snapshot pre-allocation mess just to use RAID or have snapshots. ZFS kicks all sorts of ass for server use. Touch anything? Just snapshot it first. Nice atomic fast nearly free snapshots.. hmmmm…. donuts….
(Does not imply Solaris of course, I use FreeBSD for it)
John, you are aware that Solaris has been able to hot swap CPUs for like the last 15 years, right? Good luck in “HA” linux. A cluster is not the same as SMP, each has its place, sometimes in combo.
Anyway don’t worry, I still like linux.
Oh and PS – haha thanks for taking the bait!
…yet ironically the only PureView out does not run on Linux, but Symbian which has nothing to do with Linux/Unix.
BTW, where is the name “Phi” mentioned in the document ..?
It isn’t. It is a separate leak that Nokia would be coming out with a high-end “Phi” and mid-range “Arrow” on September 5th.
I still keep my mind open that the phone we see here might in fact be Arrow, not Phi. But who knows yet.
That’s what I’ve expected.
Thus nobody has no clue that this design pattent relate to the nokia “Phi”, this is pure speculation.
But we can read everywhere “Nokia phi leaked” etc etc but for real nobody knows what phone is it. Do you agree ?
Yes, I agree and I actually think many blogs have combined the rumors and scaled the images far too liberally. It is possible there have creeped in unnecessary inaccuracies along this way.
Now, can this device be Phi? 4.7″ high-end device? Sure. It can. However, it can also be a 4-4.3″ mid-range device. It can be Arrow – in my opinion, judging by the leaks, this option has been dismissed far too fast. Unless some blogs have some information already that we don’t.
I’ve read your previous comments about the size ratio of the usb and jack connector, I thought the same thing and you’ve brought me the proofs.
I think this isn’t the high-end flagship, but an actual Lumia 800/900 replacement with WP8, NFC and FFC, for people who don’t want a too big screen but want to keep the Lumia 800/900 design.
The high-end flagship has to be disruptive and shocking.
Things may well be as you say.
One thing, though. We don’t know if the design patents are fully to scale or whether they follow the scale of the actual product. The leaked photos we are also measuring are blurry and shot at an angle, meaning it is hard to make accurate measurements.
Also there is the other leaked WP8 Lumia screen, which had a 4.3″ ruler on top. Unless that is a canned proto, like has been suggested, or maybe a variant for later date, it might also be the Arrow and then this could still be the Phi.
So I’m mostly encouraging people to keep this disclaimer in mind, we don’t know for sure which phone this is, I think.
Everything relating to patent has to be the exact, from what I know. Maybe I’m wrong.
But some questions remains, are the patents visible for anyone, in free consultation ? In this case, where are the patents for the other devices ? Why Nokia would patent only one device ? No mention of any device name appears anywhere, is it normal ?
I think many many blogs have been confusing FCC certifications and patents.
Maybe this isn’t a patent for a device but only for a global design, in order to prevent other manufacturers’ (samsung) copies.
In this case, the scale wouldn’t be exact and dimensions and details would be approximative, focusing only on the design. We just have the image, but I’m sure a lot of text is binded with it, explaining all the details of the design.
And this explanation make sense to me. What about you ?
One thing is that if this design patent actually is for the rumoured Verizon WP7 device from spring that got cancelled. Hence its confidentiality period would have ended, because the device was supposed to come out in the spring.
If this speculation turns out to be true, and they are reusing the design in the WP8 range, this new design might be based on that but not be exactly the same – which means dimensions (micro-SD slot additioN) etc. could change.
I wonder why they would have patented a design for a Verizon WP7 that got cancelled and not the others. That is why I don’t think it has to be related with any device in particulary. I don’t even think we can actually patent a whole device. It’s not a device, just a design.
We both think Nokia finally decided to stick on this design so they have patented it, in order to keep it unique, because it will be their mark, their identity. As the “Lumia” name. They don’t want to see their identity stoled.
This design may vary, depending on the screen size, position of the sim-slot etc etc..
Are you sure they haven’t patented the others? I haven’t checked.
This is not the N9 or even Lumia 900 design, this is quite different…
I’m not sure but we’ll have to check.
For me it is the Lumia 800/900 design, except that the sound, usb & sim-slot are elsewhere. And the flash is positioned like in the N9.
But the global unibody polycarbonate design is the same. Maybe they have patented it at the very begining of the MS&Nokia partnership, even before knowing where they would put usb etc.
I think the front is quite different compared to N9, check the bezels and screen curve for example. But now we’re just nit-picking.
I just don’t think this is a design patent related to N9 though.
Yes, we just have to wait a little more
ACCUCENT FORCE NOKIA TO MAKE A ARM CORTEX-A9 SYMBIAN DEVICE PLEASE
Everybody knows that “Accenture” is pronounced “Ass-Enter”
LOL. And they would “force” Nokia how, exactly?
This is an old friggin patent filed back in February, so I very much doubt the pic is indicative of any WP8 phone, let alone Nokia’s flagship model.
While I’m not sure this is the flagship (could be mid-range Arrow), I don’t think that date really tells us much anything. It could be them just posting the design when it was done?
Or… And here’s an interesting thought. Maybe we are looking at the cancelled Verizon WP7 device from spring that was rumoured. Considering that an updated WP8 bezel has appeared, it might mean the design patent is being recycled for the WP8 Lumia range. If that’s the case, all bets are off because its size could have changed in the process.
The patent scetch doesnt show a memeory card slot?, i see the sim car one at the top, but there was suppose to be expandable yeah?. Also i doesnt look that thin, was hoping under 10mm, but from this it seems to be bit fatter than lumia 900!. Still i hope it has a 12mp cam at least, full HD recording, HD screen, and 4.3inch screen minimum and dualcore cpu.
Good point.
What is the moving of USB to bottom allows then to add a micro-SD slot to the top? I know it doesn’t show in the design patent, but if the theory is correct and the design has (and was always meant to?) evolve for WP8, maybe that could be one reason for moving the components around… making room for micro-SD.
Hey all look at this. Gees i hope eldar is wrong again in the battery department.
http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/47037/nokia-phi-and-nokia-arrow-windows-phone-eight-details
I’m gonna say this three times:
Qwerty
Qwerty
where the heck is a Qwerty device!?
That should be the flagship on launch!
oh man, same back design. i hoped they would change some things at least there. oh well
this is aparently from Japan
”Nokia will also be delivering a handset there. The HSDPA-powered Nokia Lumia NK-01E will also be part of the NEXT line of handsets, but it appears will lack LTE”
http://wmpoweruser.com/fujitsu-t-01e-is-the-windows-phone-8-successor-to-the-fujitsu-is12t/
am I the only one who things this is fkn thick!~ :\
btw the rounded frame (lacked) is the one with pv
Maybe the patent is for the upcoming Nokia WP8 devices that will in reality feature a graphene based >41Mp sensor, that’ll make them thinner. And these devices aka Phi, Arrow and the third one which I’m assuming to be the 24-28MP based PureView or a phablet device with a N8-esque camera with 1080p recording.
what about finn assignatures against Elop? is real/ what this mean ?
Hope Nokia’s first WP8 phone’s specs is mouth watering like Qualcomm’s S4 pro Quadcore chip, 2GB RAM, HD screen with CBD, 16mp or 20mp Pv camera, atleast 2500mah battery. Etc……. Then this phone will again catapult Nokia into top league, and make it overcome samsung in world market….. And hope that they keep it’s price reasonable and competitive, not overpriced like iPhone………