Lumia 920 to Come with Wireless Charging and 8mp PureView Camera, New Method of PureView??
Ok so according tot eh Verge’s Tom Warren who has been teasing us all week about the Lumia 920 and it’s alleged PureView the supposed specs are:
- Wireless Charging through hidden strip in the back of the phone
- 32GB storage
- 1Gb ram
- 1.5Ghz Dual Core
- 4.5″ HD Disaplay
- 8Mp “PureView” Camera
- 1.3 MP FFC
Nokia is focusing on marketing the Lumia 920 as PureView thanks to some advancements in image stabilization and camera software that it plans to ship on the device. The front of the device will also include a 1.3-megapixel camera.
We’re expecting Nokia to announce the device on Wednesday for AT&T customers initially, with a launch date expected in late October or early November.
Is this some sort of joke? we all know that pureview basically relies on oversampling and merging or discarding some of it’s extra pixels, what kind of Pureview is 8MP??? Are we expected to capture images in .5Mp to get the Pureview out of it? Personally I’m gonna go with FAKE, as some of these specs seem ludicrous, especially the screen size which I’ve been told is much larger. However only time will tell. (Also i’m desperately praying that these specs are fake)
*If true Nokia are playing a VERY dangerous game watering down the meaning of PureView, unfortunately we’ve already seen that happen with the Carl Ziess name which used to be a major selling point, but is now just meaningless.
As someone mentioned in the Verge’s comments:
Edit: On the other hand, people have mentioned Damien Tweeting about “Other Techniques” to achieve PureView quality pictures, because obviously it’s not feasible to put a giant sensor in each phone. Perhaps there’s a way around the ridiculous sensor needed for oversampling? perhaps there’s a way around the need for oversampling in the first place. For example doesn’t Scalado’s tech of taking a lot of photos quickly then selecting the best and merging them together qualify as creating the perfect pixel but on a larger scale? Especially considering Nokias recent acquisition of Scaladao? Or have Nokia gone with the more Generic branding for technology as is Apples way? For Apple anything that’s high resolution is dubbed “retina” and people like that, it makes it easier for them to understand, personally if this supposed 8mp PureView can take proper photos, then I don’t care if it’s using Black magic to get these images, I’ll take two.
And as Muerte pointed out in his comment down below:
Maybe they have finally been able to put a graphine sensor to this baby, and the superspeedy sensor can handle 5 photos in the same time as it takes for regular one to take a single photo.
8×5=40 => same amount of pixels as in 808 => PureView algorithms make perfect pixels.
After the release of the 808 Nokia Patented the use of Graphine sensors in its cameras:
In fact, Nokia has been given a patent for a camera sensor that uses one or several graphene photo-sensitive layers instead of the widely used CMOS technology. For those not familiar, graphene structures are extremely tiny as the material is basically a single layer of carbon atoms bound together. Several layers can be stacked on top of each other with each of them dedicated to absorbing one of the primary colors.
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It may not be the only announcement. Why not a Nokia tablet?
http://cdn1.sbnation.com/entry_photo_images/5285192/nokia-920-charging-pad_large_verge_medium_portrait.jpg
Here is the wireless charging pads, 820 and 920 both.
Hype is often generated but never reached in Nokia announcements.
But good to hear something special is maybe still in the works for the camera department. I’m still wondering if we’ll see new Ashas on the fifth or sixth. Somehow I think a tablet is just a pipedream for now. Better prepare for just 820/920.
Better still, why prepare at all?
I think that is impossible for most of us in any major technology launch.
Speculating goes with the territory, can’t be helped.
I’m also super excited about the Amazon launch (Kindle is great), so I’m hoping this is a good week for a gadget buff!
There’s moto’s event as well
Sure. For some reason I’m not at all interested in that, though.
like I suspected.. off the shelf sensor with PureView branding. I hope its not true for Nokia’s sake, otherwise they are done…
To have the technology from the 808 available to them, and not being able to use it because of the OS is a crime.
People should understand (and brake from the marketing the p&s makers have pushing for years) that when it comes to picture quality, the sensor size (which is directly related to pixel size) and the optics are way more important than the pixel count.
This might help: http://6mpixel.org/en/
So, if they put any of those sony/omnivision made mediocre 1/3.2-inch sensors in the flagship Lumia, you can’t expect anything but mediocre picture quality. No xenon, no oversampling.. its bs because they will try to sell you and inferior product, when clearly they can do WAY better.
At least give as a big sensor (808-N8) with lower pixel count.. digital zooming can wait.
Wow, talk about dissing something before you’ve even seen it!
Don’t know what Nokia will show until they’ve shown it. Personally I think that this time round we’ll be seeing a different imaging refinement technique. The 808 PureView will hold it’s own for a while until they can scale down the bulk of the sensor…until then they’ll push other tech innovations (I’m guessing PureMotion is some advanced imaging stabilisation method). My educated guess is that a year or so down the line maybe, when they’re able to pack the 808 style sensor into a smaller package we’ll see a device released which is all of these goodies refined and optimised for a nicely packaged device. You know, like Apple did with the iPhone but instead Nokia packs it with refinements of their own PureView/PureMotion/PurelyAwesome tech, rather than Apple who refined then repackaged everyone else’s tech.
I really wish you lot would keep a more realistic grasp of the tech level. PureView 808 took 5 years to come to market. With the amount of other – more critical – things Nokia’s had to focus on to get it’s product lineup competitive I wouldn’t expect a smaller 41Mpx sensor to be available yet. I’m happy for Nokia to keep releasing phones that have killer features until they’re able to release the absolute blistering devices when they’ve managed to get it all in the same package. You must remember that as much as Nokia has been spending on R&D, a lot of this work never went through it’s final development phase to bring it to mass market rather than proto-devices. As much as I still love Symbian/Nokia Belle, I can understand how the platform needed too much work done to it to make it suitable for showcasing these technologies (yes, I believe MeeGo could have addressed a lot of these) – and now in the background they seem to be working pretty fast at getting these technologies finished off, polished and working on the WP platform.
I for one am happy to wait for the great devices, rather than their historically hastily released devices which only serve to damage their great innovations and not showcase them.
doesn’t the lumia 820 has a 4.65″ screen ,then how will the lumia 920 have 4.5″ screen??!
about 8mp “pure view camera”. before the 808 pureview announcement ,there was a rumor that the nokia 808(which hadn’t been at the time of the rumor0 has a 30mp or more camera sensor but everyone laughed at it and considered it some sort of a joke.
maybe it’s the same here but the other way around
or maybe pureview in the video department ???!
or maybe the camera has pureview mode in 8mp like in 808?!
PureView “in the video department” still requires oversampling and a big sensor.. otherwise no results.
Full-HD is only 1920×1080 = 2MP, so oversampling to Full-HD can be done easily with 8 MP. Even better with 12 MP, or 21 MP, or 41 MP or .. But 8 MP should give about 4x oversampling if my math is correct.
Also for example Facebook reduces images to a maximum size of about 2,36 MP (2048×1153) so actually 2 MP images are near the effective maximum size that can be put to facebook (good enough for the majority of ppl).
Maybe they have developed the PureView to work with lets say 60 fps speed to oversample pixels into 30 fps video through time instead of area. That would be cool.
Although I am loving my 808 and can’t think about changing into anything lesser camerawise..
I’m not gonna worry about the number of megapixels is they have different meanings in different cameras. That’s basically what the Android crowd is doing, counting number of cores as if that directly translates into performance. If Nokia has come up with some new technology that makes an 8mp camera take pictures comparable to 808′s 41mp, then I’m happy.
On a side note they should then perhaps not quote the 8mp, but rather say something like 8mpx5 if that soothes people. After all, most people aren’t informed enough to understand nuances like this.
Regardless of many who are disparaging the MP count, this device will outsell the 808, speedily; Nokia will be happy about that and those who purchase the new Lumia will be happy also
oh, sure it will.. poor consumers, they are being sold an inferior product. The same happened with the Lumia 900..
Depends on the consumer. The 808 would’ve been a greatly inferior product for someone else than you.
+1.
Everyone has different needs out of their devices. The 808 has some advantages over the Lumia and the opposite can be said also. It just depends on what one finds important.
I don’t really care about whether the camera has PV or not ( having is ofc better ), but diluting the PureView brand with low quality offerings is definetly not the way to go.
If we do see PureView(Which I’ve been doubting coz it’s too early for Lumia) it may be an 8mp PureView. 41mp or something close to that we’ll see next year, I do believe we may get a device like this.
Just as I suspected, this cannot be a large sensor..but Pureview processing is possible with a fast sensor.. This camera may be 8 mp but I suspect it is capable of oversampling in time..just as mentioned similar with Scalado, merging many shots taken milliseconds apart. While 808 can do lossless zoom, this fast sensor can do slow motion… A new feature I am betting…or hoping..
true and thats will called pure motion HD, capable to take 120 FPS ( slow motion videos )
The point about having more pixels (like 41MP) rather than the same 8MP five times is to have more light to work with.
Choosing the best of a bad lot, or even the best of a reasonably good lot, is different from being able to combine the light from 7 different pixels into one.
That is actually not true. You can add up light capturing it with a bigger surface or for a longer time.
The idea behind PureView is to acquire extra data to better distinguish between noise and real signal. Oversampling in time would serve this as well…
yep, this is another way to implement PureView..in general, if the camera ‘blends’ (averages) 4 images to 1 , signal-to-noise is enhanced two-fold… works well in improving quality and clarity even in low-light. But this has to be images snapped milliseconds of each other to minimize motion blur… That is why the big announcement on Sep 5 has got to be a fast sensor..capable of slow mo and PureView rendering.
Pureview is not choosing the best of 7.. but merging them into one. But these 7 have to be taken real fast ..much faster than Scalado’s.. This is time averaging versus pixel averaging in 808.
Incredible… you people cannot distinguish between a rumor/unconfirmed leak and a real product. Wednesday will come and we will all know…
How many people said it would be ridiculous to use a 41MP sensor in a mobile phone? I guess that some of them are even the ones who complain about 8MP now.
Nobody of you knows yet, for example, if the optics are made in the same way as those of the 808 (quality wise). Who can tell the size of the sensor or the technology it is based on (standard, bsi, faveon…)? Maybe it really features time based oversampling techniques as some think. The camera could come with a efficient image stabilisation. Everything would add so much value to the camera (on top of the 808).
And on top of that… It is insane to believe that Nokia could sell a brick like the 808 to people who are uncertain between an iPhone, a SGS3 or one of the other rather thin phones? Nokia needs to have a range of phones which sells to almost everybody. I would buy a 808 (without Symbian) but I don’t know anyone else with my opinion (I didn’t even know anyone in germany who wanted to have a Symbian device when Symbian was still claimed to be the world leader).
I really don’t know what kind of Nokia fans are writing here but Nokia’s enemeies couldn’t be worse…
@toermel…You’re not alone…I would purchase the 808 without Symbian…
Agree on your other points, and excited for Wednesday!
Like my 808 WITH Symbian!!
But still excited for wednesday!!
Yep, fast imaging.. Oversampling by time will give same ‘pure’ rendered image as a large sensor. The advantage of 808 is lossless realtime zoom, whereas the new “Pureview, time-based” sampling is slow motion , which is first on a camera phone..Well, both.. Pureview and Puremotion @ 8 mp res are amazing features! I already have an 808,but will buy the slow mo cellphone as well.. Haha! We’ll see soon enough..
whats wrong with symbian.my nokia 603 is faster than a htc one x.i don’t want a wp.
Nokia has developed a tech that will radically improve the stability of videoshooting. This will be a major improve in camera technology, once more Nokia leading the way.
why not a 12 mp sensor? sony seems to be doing right without adding bulge to the phones
the bulge in the 808 is not (only) because of the huge sensor, but because of the optics!
and btw the sensor is 3 to 5 times bigger than that one in the sony 
and with the optics it’s a similar story..
I’m excited for the 5 sept.!!
i think its 8mp because it will always take images in pureview mode and not full resolution (21mp or something bigger for which windows doesnt support ful res)
According to this site:
http://www.mysmartprice.com/mobile/nokia-lumia-920-msp2161
Lumia 920 comes with 16MP PureView camera. No idea how they are so stupid to publish this information now.
Nokia 808 8MP x 5x lossless zoom = 40MP
Nokia 920 8MP x 2 or 2.5x lossless zoom = 16/20MP
Hope so.. Will be enough for almost all people and enough for the 2nd place in the cameraphone-segment after the 808 PureView!
The verge?? LMFAO… These idiots are sammy fanboys through and through. Even their so called Microsoft expert (tom warren) uses an android smartphone as his daily driver.
I can tell you now that the Lumia 920 will have a 16 mega-pixel camera sensor
Using Microsoft doesn’t mean you have to use Windows Phone. Windows Phone is really bad at integrating with Outlook (not the newly rebranded Hotmail, the actual Outlook) so if you’re a MS user with Windows and Office, iPhone or Android is a better option than Windows Phone (or BlackBerry for that matter, but iPhone or Android is a better option than BlackBerry too).
My greenhorn opinion. One word. Curiosity. The rover is I believe, equipped with a 2mp cam but is capable of amazing processed images through sampling over time. I think the right hardware could do the grunt work and still provide awesome images which is what the Pureview brand is actually about. Sure I’m spit-balling but if in fact Nokia will be doing this, it’s extremely exciting..something they can probably patent thereby locking down their huge lead in imaging. The only other way I can think of for competitors is to stitch together images produced by multiple/compound sensors, but I’m sure Nokia is already probably working on that.
hello good day,I think the right hardware could do the grunt work but I’m sure Nokia is already probably working on that.so read thank you
read more:http://www.latest-phones.co.uk/
Nokia is increasing its smartphone market by providing these good features but it is very costly, not cheap and good one phones like Samsung based on android platform.