After specs showdown, Wired’s Readers want to buy the Nokia Lumia 920 first, then iPhone 5
This may not mean anything as the votes may have been skewed by an influx of WP/Nokia voters from somewhere (I like to add a bit of doubt) but in a poll conducted by Wired, the top result for the phone their readers will be buying is a Nokia Lumia 920.
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http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2012/09/iphone5-spec-showdown/
The Nokia Lumia 920 however is a genuinely strong device compared to its competitors. Whilst the previous Lumias offered design and user experience, the Lumia 920 continues that but rocks some head turning innovations too. Against the iPhone 5, Nokia’s Lumia 920 has NFC, Wireless Charging, Clear Black Display (excellent outdoors), Super Sensitive touch (for fingernails/fingers/gloves), PureMotion HD+ (for superfluid responsive displays), PureView floating lens (excellent low light stills, smoother optically stabilised video, more pixels, higher pixel density, larger screen, different design.
If only Nokia set a date, eh? 
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Dates are always important. I left link of another site’s pool where Nokia Lumia was ahead by a big margin and voters are big in numbers too.
if only it would translate directly into Sales/marketshare, nokia would be back on top.
Obviously the Lumia 920 will sell mostly to savvy consumers, while the majority will follow what others are buying. Each successive flagship Lumia will sell more. I’m pretty sure the 900 outsold the 800, and the 920 will undoubtedly outsell the 900. As long as that trend continues, Nokia will do well.
Well, that’s not true. Elop depressed Nokia sales to such extent, that just nominal increases, without considering the size of these increases, can’t save them. Numbers like 5.5M in Q4, 6M in Q1/2013, 6.5M in Q2, etc will kill them.
you are still going to old complains about elop… he is lifting nokia up and not sinking them. why cant you move on and buy a damn 820 or 920 instead of parroting. give it a rest already
What “lifting up” you are talking about? The sales are cratering ever since he announced the switch. Also, somehow I don’t see why we should praise someone just because he was able to trade wreckage from mansion he burned down just minute before for used doghouse.
The 920 isn’t on sale yet, yet it’s coming out as the most desired phone on the list. Where’s the N9? Where’s the 808. Nowhere.
STFU and stop whining. It’s pretty clear that, although far from a done deal, WP is Nokia’s last best hope.
@Mark
That was the plan all along. WP or bust (Nokia be damned).
Even if Nokia gets it right with the Lumia 920 which is likely possible, Nokia is not going to benefit like it used to with Symbian.
Remember, Nokia is just an OEM manufacturer now. So to reach profit margins that it used to get from Symbian – its going to take a looong time…
And by the way, Nokia should repay the loads of loans that it took from MS, and the MS guy Elop is gonna make sure Nokias gonna pay for it.
So what? Profitable survival is the name of the game.
If it takes an external OS to do that then so be it.
Nokia was a Symbian OEM until getting full ownership in 2008 as well. That’s when things started to go _really_ well.
No, they were not. Although Symbian Ltd was separate company, Nokia owned more than 50 % and consequently had real say about the direction of the OS.
It’s totally different situation from WP, where they don’t own anything and have no power over that OS future.
You are right, Nokia is now just another OEM so why do they not go all the way and make “generic” hardware that work both with Andorid WP, Meego etc. this should be possible on eg. TI platform. and it would make alot for customers happy.
There is a MS troll inside Nokia, remember – Elop?
We are Nokia fans because of their phones and not because of their profits. If they gained more from symbian or not doesn’t matter. What matters is that they continue to provide good phones with good overall features. If they can do that then the profits will follow. WP was their best bet under the circumstances and they took it. It is better that they become a wp oem rather than a meego martyr. The most idiotic fanboys are the ones who celebrate apple’s record profits.
Posting from my n8. I love this phone but there was no way that they could have maintained the sales figures given the weak app offerings (even before feb 11).
Next phone is lumia 920 if they price it properly and launch it by December. Lumia 900 launched in India last week for 600 usd!! Insane pricing!
Dont be short sighted.
If the company doesnt make profit, it doesnt survive and then will be bought by the Trolls at MS.
Some day MS will charge you $$$s to insert a MicroSD card or force you to use their cloud storage…. Nokia never did this and thats what we like about Nokia – but its changing soon!
Yeah, and Nokia also never made a responsive OS. Don’t dare to say Meego/Maemo because I’ve seen an N900 and I am holding an N9 and I can tell that while I love it and I think the interface is great, it is not responsive. I have found myself with a laggy phone once in a while.
@rcx13
Meego has room for improvements. Remember iOS when it came first had no features at all… Android wasnt perfect either…
Meego was killed before it was born. Thanks to the MS troll inside Nokia.
Better ask yourself where are previous Nokia customers? There were millions of them. And they are not waiting for WP. WP is the best opportunities only for Microsoft. See people all around the world begging “I would like to buy N9 or successor” and also the same with PV808. WP is advertised, marketed, gifted for free but not loved. Only those who don’t care about mobiles take it, and quite often they think they have taken ugly Symbain version… And numbers don’t lie. Sorry. WP is like stone in Greek mythology, rolled up by Sysyph, but always felts down before the top… Sorry, it is boring knot.
Why aren’t all those people buying N9′s and 808?? If they really love the phones so much, how comes that you barely see good sales? I don’t deny there is a niche looking for those phones( I’m part of it). However you would expect that all that love would mean something!!!
This sounds like the stories about WebOS. Journalists and bloggers loved it! The users loved it! Nevertheless, it is as good as dead.
I don’t care what all the haters here say. I am happy to get a 920 when it comes out.
If one visits gsmarena.com, the iphone5 has a humogous lead in terms of daily interest hits (nearly 180,000) versus the 90,000 or 80,000 for Samsung S3 and Nokia 920, respectively. Though this result does not imply the intention of buying–maybe more out of curiosity.
But there may be some truth to the WIRED poll, since those who have been with iPhone for some time–and most likely also using iPad–I can understand why they’d be ‘bored’ to have another device that at least in terms of user interface is just nearly the same. If you have money to spare, then why try out something completely new and with new features… anyway, you can just always hang on with your iPhone4s which isn’t to different from the iphone5. Whereas Nokia 920 is fresh, and new, funky, and really neat features to boot. This is certainly Nokia’s chance. I hope Nokia releases the devices soon, and that these devices better perform well–and that Windows8 won’t be buggy.
We’ll see..
2 million pre-orders : http://www.gsmarena.com/apple_weighs_in_more_than_2_million_iphone_5_preordered-news-4815.php
fastest selling iPhone on ATT’s network: http://www.gsmarena.com/at_t_slaims_iphone_5_is_fastest_selling_iphone_doesnt_share_numbers-news-4813.php
The 920 has.. well, no chance, but I guess that isn’t the point anymore.. its all about the eco system, so I guess Elop takes the samsung and the htc number, combines them with the lumia numbers, and then they look at how they are doing.
Well yes, i voted 3 times for 920 and to be fair once for iphone5 and SG3 lol.
Its the not the question who wins but the publicity is more important. I think its a good publicity for Nokia and to make it as a brand success as fan i will contribute the way i can. Brand recognition has depleted drastically for Nokia with newer generation, they should know that Nokia is the new in-thing and to do that they need to demonstrate their strength. Glad i helped in a way..
It makes ma giggle a little when I see WP fans sudden love for specs and numbers comparisons, even more ironic is that the comparing is done against the only phone for which specs doesn’t matter.
BTW, if somebody fantasied that the 920 non-announcement could have any impact on iPhone, the reported selling out in few hours underscores what a nonsensical idea that was.
It is the same thing with every fan. First your product doesnt have X it doesnt matter but when it has and its a little bit better than the other brand its a good thing!
Iphone will always sell out nowadays. It was different in the iPhone 3G time when it wasn’t yet in so many markets and not so popular. Now they are in almost every market and they are very popular..
Oh “selling out”, yes because Apple can’t accurately predict how much they will sell. I guess you also believe that when they put their online store down for “maintenance” it’s because they also haven’t mastered the art of updating a website without taking it down for a few hours.
Apple will always “sell out” within a given, very precisely determined, point. Sounds much better than “not sold out yet”, and makes nice headlines, as evidenced by you being impressed by it.
Over 2 million pre-orders in 24 hours. You are not impressed by that? That’s fake “selling out”?
I don’t have love for the specs (I’d rather have a phone that would last me two days instead of “the thinnest!” or “the lightest!” “quad core!” etc), but I do love the fact that now listing the spec can shut up the fanboys from other camps from saying that WP phones are underspec.
Too bad it doesn’t shut up the fanboys coming out to claim that WP fans had suddenly grown fond of spec wars. :rolleyes:
Lumia 920 gives competitors the middle finger (and quite literally judging by the looks of that chart)
Apple won’t give a shit about it.
iPhone 5 in these 2 months will still outsell 920′s annual figures
Who cares? As long as the 920 is a commercial success then Nokia’s decision to go with WP is vindicated.
You guys can’t take the fact that it might just work after all, can you?
@Mark
How so? The battle is no longer about devices.
You guys can’t take the fact that it might just work after all, can you?
According to Elop, Nokia has already lost.
Really? Care to point out how Nokia have already lost given the alternative is bankruptcy.
Oh that’s right. You can’t.
@Mark
It’s no longer a battle of devices, but a war of ecosystems. Elop’s own words.
Nokia’s ecosystem is out of contention, hence Nokia has lost the war.
As per Elop’s reckoning, Nokia has already lost the war. It’s now just the beast MS rides on its quest to gain relevance on mobile.
Nokia is like the house slave that is under the delusion that he is his master’s partner.
You don’t seem to understand the man that you vigorously support.
So you got nothin’.
Figures.
@Mark
Or you don’t want to see some unpleasant facts. Your man said and I quote “It’s a war of ecosystems”. Nokia has already lost, as per his own endgame.
Deny or avoid all you want.
Indeed.
Right… so given WP is an ecosystem and if it suceeds then Nokia suceeds then what point are you trying to make here?
Do you actually have one or is this just the usual idiotic whining we’ve coem to know and love?
@Mark
WP is MS’ ecosystem, not Nokia’s. WP’s hypothetic success, even if built on the back of Nokia, doesn’t guarantees the success of the OEM aforementioned.
I point at the moon, you look at my finger.
So, you are basically saying that samsung, despite selling millions and millions of devices is losing in this war because it uses an OS that belongs to another comany (google). Your argument is invalid.
There are many ways of leading a company to success. Having your own OS can or cannot be one of those ways.
@poiman
https://www.google.com/search?q=battle+of+devices+to+a+war+of+ecosystems&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
In a war of ecosystems? Ask the Windows OEMs how great it is.
What “commercial success” is? Something tells me that if they will be able to sell two or three millions of 920 in Q1, there will be mad cheering…
But the question of vindication of Elop’s moves was decide more than year ago. The market share of the days before WP switch are long gone and Nokia will never return to that, nor the profits. They aren’t even having it as plan for distant future. Along the way Elop wasted billions in real money and another billions in lost profits, and most importantly killed any hope for Nokia’s independent future.
WP at Nokia is utter failure and the only question is if they will be able to survive at all, or rather how long before they finally implode. Because the capitulation Elop signed with MS almost guarantees they will be eaten by competition in the long term even if WP catches up.
Whaa! Whaa! Whaa!
Nokia’s WP strategy might succeed after all and you can’t handle it. No, you’ll just sit there and parrot on about Elop when, if these hits translate to sales, he might just have saved the company.
Dry your eyes. There may not be a funeral after all.
Yep, that pretty much sums up the situation. Two years ago Nokia was industry behemoth. Fast forward to now and there even may not be a funeral!
Elop is genius, I tell you!
“Two years ago Nokia was industry behemoth.”
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Selling bucketloads of shit phones to carriers at a near loss doesn’t make a company a behemoth.
In 2010 Nokia had no high end presence – a few million, me included, bought the N8 because of Nokia’s promises only to find that, camera aside, it was vastly inferior to the 3GS. You ever wonder why N8 sales disappeared off a cliff after the first sales quarter?
Nokia were dying long before Elop turned up. Symbian is shite compared to the other operating systems – I have an Android 2.2 set, an iPhone 3GS running iOS 5 and a Lumia with WP7.5 and all of them piss all over my N8 with Belle.
Now Nokia have a glimmer of hope after laying some groundwork with the 800 and 900. I think that’s a good thing.
Now do us all a favour and go troll somewhere else, you torn faced whingebag.
Oh I see, making billion in profits in quarter and being the biggest seller on the market means near loss and death. Turning that into billion in losses per quarter and total market irrelevance is a glimmer of hope.
The things Elop’s fans can believe in… Jobs with his reality distortion field was really just inept propagandizer.
What billions in profit? Ever decreasing numbers as demand dropped further and further? Please. Spare us.
I’m not a fan of Elop – he’s made some terrible decisions (dropping Symbian wasn’t one of them) – but this moronic idea that somehow it’s all his fault is… well… moronic.
+1
That billion from the last quarter before Elop and BoD officially unveiled their insanity. Also, sales were ever increasing up to aforementioned point, and only from there they are dropping like a stone.
But I see that you are simply physically incapable to face the reality, so just continue to repeat that Nokia was dying and making losses, then Elop happened and all the numbers shoot up into positives.
@nn
This is the whole problem with the Elop strategy vs. going with the same strategy they had in place.
We can all see how Elop’s decision is playing out. It isn’t going as well as the last part of the old strategy was going, granted. But here is the thing; the future of the old strategy can only be speculated upon.
One can only go by how it was going basing the future on the past. And that is mostly a bad idea to do so. There is a big chance that the old strategy would crash and burn throughout 2011 yet there is a similar chance Nokia could have been succesfull with it.
Point is; you can’t compare the old with the new. Chanding conditions, looking at past results, hypothesising and all that kind of stuff.
@Harangue
Nobody can peek into the future or run all the alternative realities and pick the one that suits him best. And that’s the problem, because Elop acted as if he was absolutely sure that Symbian/MeeGo/Qt will crater no matter what they do and that explosion of WP ecosystem is done deal.
Nokia wasn’t at some crucial crossroad where they would need to immediately choose radical change. For example they could continue with Symbian/MeeGo, as they sort of did anyway, introduce WP in the US market and see what really works.
Past results is the only thing you have, so if you choose to ignore history then what you can’t argue? With that logic you can label whatever crazy idea you have when you wake up in the morning as “the new” and dismiss everything else as “the old”.
+1
Forget about these charts and the iphone and the droids. . . The L920 will be the numero uno device when it hits the market.
Problem it will be out for sale long after everyone as bought a new Iphone or saving for the upcoming SG4.
Jay, its not clear black display right?, Am i wrong?
As they mentioned during the announcement, it’s some evolution(improved version) of CBD. Yes, it’s not CBD but something more interesting.
“It’s no longer a battle of devices; it’s a war of ecosystems,” . . Elop
Looking at the initial consumer response to the iPhone5 it seems that the Windows ecosystem is not wining!
“The head of engineering for Symbian told him hat with Windows Phone, Nokia could produce quality devices in one-third the time as with Symbian” . . Elop
Yet WP8 is late allowing iOS6 to hit the market running (across multiple devices) before the new Lumia’s.
Winning – Losing
Totally irrelevant. Surely you can feel that burning feeling?
That’s Nokia and WP hot on the heels of IOS who may be hitting the market running but is somewhat misguided, considering the fact IOS is losing it’s steam even faster. And do you really think IOS 7 will be out in time to save itself from imploding?
Maybe but not before WP 8 gains traction, and when that happens it’s all down hill from there for Apple…
Think I’m wrong?
Not acually…
Edit:
Not Actually..
What is the weather like on your PLANET?
Sunny with occasional showers, LOL
Enjoy your shiny new Apple, mate…
I don’t have an iPhone.
I have a N8, N9 and a One X (work) .
If I were you I would stay out of the SUN. To much exposure can fry your brains
ios only works on iphone,ipad and ipod.win8 kernel works on windows computers,laptops,xbox,phones and the ecosystem is enhanced by server,office,bing search,mail,security solutions.windows ecosystem is much larger than google and apple combined and to see it all work flawlesly you need to waith a month or two untill everything runs in harmony and all the new releases come to market.
and i am sorry for wp coming so late to the market. i wish they would just give up and let the whole smartphone world be run by android and ios only,and when talking about multiple oem on different price points only android.it doesn’t matter how late something comes,what is important is that we have options
Android kernel-linux works your router, the server that powers MNB, your computer, well any ware… I would not go that way….
You probably don’t know but just because its a similar kernel does not mean the software works.
i think ms and nokia are thinking in a too straight way when it comes to ecosystems. everyone is thinking that they have to store thousands of apps, and such things, but in my opinion a company could build an ecosystem in another way, like i’m saying at dearnok.zxq.net , show some deals with other companys like mcdonalds and starbucks and put in every shop a table with wireless charging for the lumias. you know what i mean? build up a hardware ecosystem, not a software ecosystem. when you see people in mcdonalds stores charging their phones on a table with a lumia label, it could build a very nice “must-have”-effect on costumers.
Well, Nokia is doing exactly what you are proposing with the wireless charging already.
“Looking at the initial consumer response to the iPhone5 it seems that the Windows ecosystem is not wining!”
Yeah, it’s really intelligent and meaningful to compare initial sales figures of a phone that’s available to one that isn’t.
Are you for real?
Are you for real? can you reply to any one not agreeing with you without resulting to insult?
In any case the SGS 3 shouldn’t be in this vote to begin with. Samsung’s already sold millions of units…
IT should be the Ativ S up there dudes!
Of course, the 920 is at the top of my list. And I shall accept no substitutes…
Yeah I was thinking that. They’re not going to buy something they already have. Kudos on Samsung for getting to where they are. They way they went about may be considered by some as not completely moral in some places but that’s business I guess (i.e. AppleCopyGate).
It’s all nice and dandy but, you forget we don’t know the price yet. At the end price will determine the success
Can’t be more than $749 ( like the 32GB iP5 )
even though lumia 920 is a pretty good device general public dont have much idea about it for them still the ultimate phones are iphone and galaxy s3.now its upto nokia’s marketing team to do rest of the work.
It should have been good if nokia has a major flagship range like galaxy s series where people will wait for the next big thing to come every year.
+1
This poll does not show the real situation. This is my opinion…
The 920 was third with around 20% before I saw the poll on WMPU…
It got skewed when a couple windows sites linked to it before then it was iphone 5 1st, followed by S3 and Lumia 920 in a dead heat for second.
The MNB gang gatecrashing a poll? Who would’ve thought?
But seriously, Nokia and MS need to release a schedule showing which countries are getting the 920 and when.
+100. People are actually noticing Nokia again with the Lumia 920 and are comparing it with the S3 and the Iphone 5. Both the s3 and iphone 5 can already be bought or preordered and that sucks. Nokia needs to hurry up.
Gate crashing? We’ve not asked anyone to vote for this one. There are 5000 extra votes but that’s not from us :p
I agree. I want a date for availability too
The only way Nokia can survive, is brand recognition and brand support from their old customers. Otherwise.. they are done. This is exactly what you see it this poll.
In terms of products, they can never dominate again, simply because the platform they chose, is not their own, and very limiting, so their phones will be.. just like any other WP from Samsung. So they have to rely on their name, no their products.
Exactly. From the position of cult-legendary company they were get on the knees, as a small nameless supplier in the supply chain. It is none motivation to buy anything.
True, they did leave a lot of people behind. I’m guessing after this stint with MS they either fork WP8 to something of their own that they can control or work like heck to bring back some mothballed OSes into relevance (though I have a sneaky suspicion that work continues, however small). Either way for the time being were stuck with MS (asha anyone?). WP8 success is a Nokia fan success if just for now. Still, I look forward to the time when Nokia can independently chart it’s course into the future. Let’s hope they can keep alive and thriving up to that point.
I’m not too into apps myself but support the fact that Nokia seems to be amassing a lot of collaborations with other companies for both accessories AND content which is a more important ecosystem than just the number of apps. They’re also strongly leveraging on key differentiators such as location, imaging, cbd and a few others which is also a course I support. I’m hoping, as a fan to see more of the fruits of their labors in these areas.
Apple hasn’t really impressed me with its iphone 5. Truth be told it really does feel more like a 4Ss than anything. HTC’s 8X, certainly can turn heads and shows the company’s design people can impress (One series was nice too). Still both would look and perform better with CBD which for up to now, they don’t have. And that’s just one of the things I like about the 920. Still too early to tell though. Waiting for the round of reviews to come up and it IS the first time Nokia has got me wanting one of their phones since the..well..N8, N9 and 808.
Nokia needs to release which carriers the phones are available on. The information about sales dates and prices. Then make the devices available for review, both for tech blogs and general media, close to the sales date. In this way they will be in the news picture for a long time and get the necessary public exposure.
thats a lie