Nokia N9 much? BlackBerry’s BB10 Alpha B
I thought it was just me but the top comment (and several others) on Engadget are commenting that BB’s dev unit looks like a Nokia N9.
There are certainly some resemblances. It seems there are two designs that apparently exist in the world. An iPhone or a Nokia.
http://www.engadget.com/2012/09/25/blackberry-dev-alpha-b-handset-bb10-hands-on/
For everyone else? Fire up the photocopier.
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Ya, it is definitely N9 “inspired”, although this is a dev unit, the boxiness of the unit is nice, I like. Reminds of very much of the N950, another dev unit in a box form factor.
It’s nice that RIM takes swipe philosophy on their future OS. Heck, Nokia just wasted this genius UI experience design.
Can’t wait to try the BB 10 device! I never interested trying their phone before
RIM was doing swipe gestures before Nokia (and Palm was doing it before RIM).
Swipe gestures that need a learning curve is a bit useless for mainstream phones … N9 was good to go , i could show it to my mum and in 5 mins she loved it . This will take lots of time to get used to as there’s no visual cues to where you can or should swipe.
Nope. I suggested a friend check out the N9 when it had just come out and she was in the market for a smartphone, and she found it completely un-intuitive. The N9 is definitely a phone you had to show people how to use it (so was the iPhone for that matter), they just had that in the product release information, which was quite smart. The PlayBook has no more learning curve than the N9.
It might have been an isolated case; I explained several of my friends how my N9 worked when I had just bought it. The 3 screen UI was far too simple for me to actually have to explain anything (and these are people that go from tech-geeks to feature phone users).
The one thing I did have to explain was the difference between a common swipe and one from the edge of the screen; it took about 5 minutes of practice to get it right, about the time it took me to do it at first.
So, unfortunatelly, it does seem to be hard to find what would be un-intuitive about the Meego OS.
Exactly what you said, the difference between a swipe from the edge and from inside the screen, and that sometimes it does the same thing and sometimes it behaves differently. That’s not intuitive, that’s something you have to memorise.
The question is, how hard you have to memorise if you can do it in few minutes. And it’s not that you forgot something like side sweep either changes the home screens, or – wait a minute – changes the view in a program if I’m not careful to swipe from the edge. Well maybe it’s hard if your friends are all on a geriatric ward.
Swype is one of the UI paradigms that go directly to your muscle memory and spine. So much so, that you start swyping with every phone and curse their primitive ways after.
Not everyone can do it in a few minutes. Some people take days to learn what others find a trivial matter and pick up in 30 seconds.
I confirm: 6 known to me persons with status of “mama” or “grandmama” has learned how to use and loved in Nokia N9 within 3-5 minutes and use N9 still. And have declared Nokia N9 as “the best, the easiest, the most comfortable etc.etc.”. MeeGo has realised to be the best choice for them.
I’ve found a few people that just don’t get how to unlock the phone. There’s no visual cue like the iPhone has.
There’s other swipe gestures that you have to learn that are logical but without visual cues.
I actually quite like this. It takes very little time before they’re natural and embedded in how you interact with the N9 but with no visual cues, there’s no clutter.
BB10 does something similar but they’ve still put cues in. e.g. you get to the menu by swiping from the menu button. The down and right swipe seems a bit odd too.
But anyway, great to see RIM trying something different to what they had before.
Wrong, but you have a history of totally denying that usage was very intuitive, so you have no credibility…
You’ve never even heavily used or owned it, yet you’re very vocal about it’s supposed horrid UX, WTF’s up with that.
Most people throwing around the word intuitive don’t know what it means, certainly not when it comes to user interfaces.
And you would be amongst those, looking at your posting history…
Fact remains, you’ve never heavily used the device yet you’re extremely vocal about how poor the UX is, funny that.
I don’t need to have used it. I can go based on the experiences of others, as well as watching videos of Nokia employees who worked on the N9 messing up how it’s supposed to work.
That just reinforces how truly non-objective you are.
And the videos you refer to were of the earliest builds when it 1st hit market, the UX usage was tweaked quite a bit after that.
Resources were dwindling hugely before then, & especially shortly afterwards & to this day
(almost non-existent now).
have to be a moron not to learn in 10 seconds using the swype
Swype and Swipe are not the same thing, and no. Some people don’t adapt to new UI paradigms as easily as others.
Nokia N9 UI is a simple as it can get
swipe from edge to edge.
took me 5 mins to understand it.
And now i don’t understand life with out the three home screens.
But as my mum is a high school graduate living in the third world , with no tech background and over 47 years old … and could still understand this UI
I’d say your friend has some preset standards about UI’s that’s holding her back. (PARC for one.)
It behaves differently when you Swipe from within the screen than when you swipe from outside the screen, unless you’re in the home screen in which case it behaves the same. It’s an inconsistent and unpredictable design. You understand it because you spent hours lapping up the videos at swipe.nokia.com before it was released, not because it’s inherently easy to understand.
Actually the thing you are mentioning about was the only thing i had to get used to in the 5mins i was talking about.
Consistency in the N9 is unparalleled.
No, it’s inconsistent. If you believe it is consistent, you’re just plainly wrong. The PlayBook has consistent behaviour with the swipes. The N9 does not.
So what is this inconsistency with N9 swipe? I haven’t used PlayBook so I’m not sure how it would be more consistent. You close programs by swiping from bottom to top?
The inconsistency is that sometimes swiping from the side or from the middle does the same thing, and sometimes, swiping from the side does something different from swiping in the middle. You have to remember what the exceptions are.
With the PlayBook, swiping inside the screen never does the same thing as swiping from the bezel, and the gesture always works the same way – even if there’s no text input field, swiping from the bottom left corner will always bring up the keyboard. There are no exceptions with the PlayBook.
That’s absolute rubbish…
the outer shell thingy is a cover and not part of the phone shell right? o.o
Right. And with the outer shell it looks nothing like an N9.
And this my friend is why my next phone will not be a Nokia, it will be either a Jolla or Blackberry device.
I’ve been watching Blackberry 10 for some time now, and while it certainly borrows alot from the N9 and MeeGo, as long as it’s done well and is just as intuitive then I have no problems with that.
If it’s between iOS, Android, WP8 and Blackberry 10, I’ll take Blackberry OS any day of the week. and until BB10 releases and happily stick with my N9 thankyou Nokia.
Still keeping my eye on Jolla Mobile though.
+1. Ever since N9, Jolla and BB are the only devices I’m looking forward to, hoping they could implement something like Harmattan. I could understand complaining about HTC for the curve glass, but now even BB with its flat glass and plastic block design? Seriously? Though I’d have to say HTC’s 8X design is still a lot better than this.
The N9 borrowed from the PlayBook, and where it didn’t borrow from the PlayBook, it borrowed from the Pre. Any similarities between BB10 and Harmattan are due to that common webOS heritage, particularly given both Harmattan and BB10 had ex-Palm guys working on them. That open applications mode is webOS cards + OSX exposé, plus the dock at the bottom is swiping up from webOS + Palm OS grid icons.
There is a lot of copying going on, but the N9 was doing a ton of copying too (that was one of the reasons I was actually excited about the N9 originally, just disappointed that its price never dropped to something I could afford).
camera UI icons almost identical to those of IOS …
But i still loved it more than IOS 
These are fair commments, and as a previous Pre2 owner I did appreciate what the N9 took from the Pre(or what Harmattan took from WebOS).
Personally I always thought of MeeGo/Harmattan/SwypeUI as the pinacle of this whole gesture based UI, it was like a progression of WebOS. Owning both an N9 and Touchpad owner at the same time did lead me to find WebOS a little cumbersome, just not quite there.
Who knows, BB10 or Jolla might make MeeGo/Harmattan feel that way, I’m kind of hoping they will as it would be pretty exciting to find a progression of SwypeUI.
Yeah, webOS had the idea, and it got refined in Harmattan and PlayBook OS. If you look at the demos of BB10, it actually goes a bit back to the original Pre with the swipe gestures starting at the bottom rather than using the corners like the PB.
-1 fail post, thinks he’s all that, but, no.
+1
Similar sentiments, having actually owned/used WebOS & Harmattan devices.
migo, wait wait wait. Stop. Everybody stop. Wait. Hold on.
You don’t own an N9?? (Migo/Meego??) You admittedly hate Symbian.
What is your primary phone?
Lumia 710 at the moment. Migo has nothing to do with MeeGo.
And Playbook borrowed or was inspired from elsewhere & same for Pre, don’t even try to pretend for a second that those were entirely new/unique UI concepts, & there’s no shame in that, zilch.
I never did, and you’re a terrible reader.
You insinuate by exclusion, painting part of the picture to suite your own little narrative etc.
Same here.
I already have the honor of using this beta of BB10 on a DevAlpha device and I have to say it is quite different when using it compared to the N9. In some respects it feels much more polished than Harmattan despite being a beta. The guys from RIM Sweden (TAT) have done a nice work on the UI side. Can’t wait for Q1 of next year to get the final hardware and software.
Only thing I’ll miss is Nokias awesome camera hardware.
Same, I’m very happy with the PB and will be looking forward to BB10. Since at least I know RIM will make it work with every network out there that wants it. I’ll be lucky if Nokia makes some phone that works with AWS frequencies, and it’ll probably be one that doesn’t have PureView.
That’s a protective cover! And if you look closely it has rectangular edges, not rounded, it’s nothing like an N9 (except that the N9 copied the swiping gestures from PBOS). You’re getting paranoid Jay.
From the pics at engadget it doesn’t seem like it. Looks like the actual phone design to me.
No, they’re keeping the actual design hidden (from the stuff that has been leaked, it’ll likely be something by Porsche Design, unfortunately). It’s exactly like the iPhone 4 in the bumper case to make it look like the 3GS before it was released.
Unfortunately it most probably won’t look like the leaked Porsche Design BB10 handset, it will look much closer like this one: http://crackberry.com/exclusive-first-image-blackberry-10-superphone
That’s still the Porsche Design language without the incredibly uncomfortable sharp edges. And that doesn’t really look like the N9 at all. It looks more like the back of the iPhone 5, but the Porsche Design look had been released back before the 4S.
No not really, you seem to be very defensive of other companies borrowing Nokia’s designs.
I’m not defensive about it at all. I find this whole who copied whom thing absolutely ridiculous. It was stupid when Apple started it and it’s stupid with you drumming it up about Nokia.
I’m not doing this because Apple started it. I’ve always been pointing it out when I see phones that look like a Nokia because I inherently notice Nokia all the time.
I wasn’t the only one who noticed this. BTW, check out their alarm clock feature. Something they say that THEY designed even though it works the same way as the N9. Who knows, perhaps RIM designed the N9 and SWIPE all along.
RIM and Nokia both have ex-Palm webOS team guys working for them. That’s a more likely explanation for the similarities than one copying the other (especially since both the PlayBook and Harmattan were under development away from prying eyes at the same time – the PB was out first but it’s not like it was out for long enough for Nokia to copy either).
“the PB was out first but it’s not like it was out for long enough for Nokia to copy either).”
And yet that doesn’t stop you from saying things like this
http://mynokiablog.com/2012/09/25/nokia-n9-much-blackberrys-bb10-alpha-b/comment-page-1/#comment-668295
Obvious & biased troll is obvious…
I’m saying if you’re going to make the copying argument on those grounds, Nokia copied RIM, not the other way around. I find these copying claims ridiculous to begin with, but if someone did the copying, it’s not Nokia. Nokia was not the originator of any element in the N9 UI.
you’re happy to twist the argument to suite your own agenda but when it doesn’t suite it’s a “silly argument”, that’s healthy.
I have no agenda.
Yes, you do actually, that much is very clear through the totality of your posts.
You think most people are dumb, but they aren’t, many see your posts for what they are.
Not to mention, Nokia’s doing a ton of copying themselves.
RIM released the PlayBook before the N9. Swiping from off screen, all sides – RIM did that first. Buttonless design – RIM did that first. Curved screen – Dell did that first. Miniature thumbnails of running apps – Microsoft did that first (if you don’t count some 3rd party programs from XP that already introduced that functionality) Rectangular shape just featuring the screen with rounded sides and contoured back – Apple did that first. There’s a few details on the N9 that are Nokia – the hard edges at the top and bottom really, although that’s even something Apple had before with the iPod nano, and had worked on a prototype like that before the first iPhone. That app a mole layout? PalmOS, but if you go back further that’s the original GUI. Nokia did a twist by making it vertically scrolling, but RIM’s doing side to side with BB10 which Apple did way back in the System 7 days with At Ease.
Finding who actually came up with everything originally is just as easy with supposed Nokia innovations as it is with supposed Apple innovations. The basics of the GUI that every platform is using still goes all the way back to Xerox PARC!!! The idea of an all touch screen phone goes to Palm around the V/VII era.
I’m going to attribute swiping to WebOS but I see your point
I’m aware Nokia takes inspiration from others too at times, but given the nature of me and my blog, I’ll always be pointing things out from a Nokia perspective more often
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That’s fine, especially if it’s a “hey look at the cool stuff Nokia is doing type post”. I’m never going to complain about something like that. The negative stuff bothers me more.
If one company has a great idea, I want all the others to follow it (as long as it jives with what they already have, otherwise we’d have Frankenstein’s monster), because that forces the original company to keep innovating.
Imagine if Nokia could coast by just on the design, and didn’t need to introduce OIS and could just settle with EDoF cameras, and didn’t have to develop PureMotion to differentiate and sell. And that’s really what’s going to sell the 920. The looks is more of a “It’s not ugly, so good enough” area. The excellent screen and the excellent camera, that’s what Nokia has an edge on, and that’s not so easy to copy. (And as far as that goes, RIM has a history of trying their own thing and in some cases getting some very good results – cameras not so much though). HTC has also made some of their own improvements with the screen – Titan is definitely better than the HD2, which at the time was one of the best out there – and camera.
The looks is a branding issue, but Nokia can just follow Apple’s lead and say ‘if it’s not a Lumia, it’s not a Lumia’.
Does HTC know you’re cheating on her with Blackberry? You’ve spent 21 out of 58 comments on this article defending BB.
And sorry, but I can’t resist, BB COPYCATS !!!!!!!
Of course I have, because attacking them is absurd. Not to mention the Dev Alpha B doesn’t even look that good. Sure the screen probably won’t get scratched, but I’m not convinced about the ergonomics, and again, the look is “comes with an Otterbox built in!”
I think there is a widget/Software in Nokia Belle which shows the open apps screens like n9 on the home screen.
yeahh its look kinda..
ohh my n9 how i miss it!! why didnt nokia to do meego in a super ecosystem i would definetly it buy it even yet with the same old n9. so beautiful easy simple.
hmm i looking forward to jolla but i dont think that there devices are gonna look like beautiful nokias so im pessemistic.
My first thought was just that, that this really reminds me of N9. Not just on HW but also SW side.
That is not a bad thing in any way, I wasn’t thinking that they would have stolen anything, but that this looks like a really great device. I was happy to see BB10 and how it works. It works well and I wish all the best for RIM with this.
It’s like a complete inversion of the N9. Square edges instead of round edges. Concave screen feel with the case instead of convex.
Yes, you are right.
I didn’t pay too close attention to the design details, but thanks for pointing those out. It’s not a blatant copy of N9 and I don’t want to accuse it for something it is not.
Still when I saw those first pictures on Engadget’s site, the same ones that are here. it reminded me about N9 and I liked it.
It might be that in these two pictures those shapes aren’t so visible. In that first picture especially with “BlackBerry” text not showing properly, it, just like N9 from front, looks to have sharp corners, no buttons and a bit of plastic on both ends.
In the second picture it has apps in four small frames, just like N9′s multitasking.
As I said, I think it looks good. I know that it is just a developer unit, but I like the looks. It brings back some memories. All the best for them.
What it shares with the N9 is the symmetrical design, which is excellent, and the absence of any buttons on the front, which is also excellent.
can i be hired as a designer. i will design something. I really am losing interest in companies that are just copying and pasting, there is so much to explore in this world of ours, even if its different in the slightest manner, we shouldn’t be copying others or looking at others for inspiration (because it will end up looking similar). Really. I command them for the OS but seriously that looks like the task screen on the N9 merged with Symbian.
I think this whole ‘copied from Nokia’ thing is lame. I’m a Nokia guy but I found the Apple-Samsung trial frustrating and I didn’t agree with either side’s tactics.
Now we’re up in arms because HTC’s phone’s are rectangular and use colours and BlackBerry is copying the N9? There are limits on what can be done in smartphone design. Just make it beautiful, functional and technologically attractive and don’t worry about what everyone else is doing.
Absolutely agree. Especially when Nokia was originally copying RIM if you go by the logic people are using to claim Nokia is being copied (although really they weren’t, they both had guys who were originally on the webOS team working for them).
They took some cues from RIM but “they both had guys who were originally on the webOS team working for them” with that logic, your saying that they should look alike? you know companies have quality assurance and sects for only checking up on stuff like this, they should spot these things from the get go instead of letting the company ridicule itself in the eyes of the world.
You people forget that in order to be different you must thing as a consumer and not yourself or the dev.
Consumers are going to look at a red Nokia 820 and a HTC and say, “Whats the difference?” They don’t know whats going on inside, and quite frankly they don’t care. That is the question designers hate and as a designer you should hate looking like another designer. You want yours to stand out. And making the marketing team make it look different is really not designer like. Yes Apple can market well, but they have a device that is worth marketing, if it looked like any other at the time, it would be on a whole different level. Seriously talking about copy cats from years ago is not going to matter to consumers now.
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No, I’m saying that it wasn’t straight up Nokia or straight up RIM that came up with the UI ideas, that it was Palm. They hired the guys legitimately, so there’s nothing wrong with using what the guys they hired brought in, but saying that RIM copied Nokia when Palm did all the hard work getting 90% of the UI done, and the changes at Nokia and RIM were 10% is just stupid.
The vast majority of smartphone UI that’s in use today is all traced back to Palm. More smartphone UI innovation happened at Palm than at every other company working on smartphones today combined. Given that, Nokia fans claiming that RIM is copying Nokia is pretty stupid.
Got a point… I was more on the Hardware end… but yes, Palm was doing what Nokia is doing right now… Not letting everyone know about it, and now people will think it was Nokia. and the more you tell them, they will just ignore… trust me… i tried
Yeah, it’s like talking to Apple fans that think Apple invented stuff that was actually done much earlier.
Sorry to burst your bubble my friend, but, swiping was used by Neonode (as well as slide to unlock) for some years before webOS.
Having said that, I personally think that the N9 uses the best swiping system so far, because it is not too complicated like webOS’s and it fits perfectly with the curved screen of the N9 to make it feel as natural as possible.
As far as smartphones go, Palm and RIM only released smartphones in 2002, a full 2 years after the Ericsson R380 and the Nokia 9210, the first devices to use Symbian.
The Series 90 for instance influenced a lot of the modern smartphones, a bottom row of essential apps for example or a homescreen with all the apps ready to be used instead of a menu that was the norm back then.
That’s on screen swiping you’re talking about, not bezel gestures, which is the swiping that’s unique in webOS, PlayBook and the N9. Neonode used on screen gestures, which was a stylus free take on Palm’s Graffiti gestures.
That feature you’re describing in series 90 was Microsoft’s idea with Windows 95 and the Quicklaunch segment of the taskbar.
I’m sorry, but is there a sensor on the bezel for swiping on the Pre or the N9? No, swiping is performed from one edge of the screen to the other, that is, when touching the screen, so, that is screen swiping, the concept is the same.
Graffiti was an input method for text and not a way of operating a UI, besides, Palm stole that idea from Xerox’s Unistrokes and was then faced with a lawsuit which they lost.
Actually, “Quick Launch” came by default on Windows 98, it was a separate download for Windows 95 and NT.
Acorn Computers’s Arthur OS used that concept back in 1987, called the “Icon Bar”, however, it was Series 90 that first used a bottom row of essential apps by itself for quick access of apps on a mobile OS. Similar idea, different implementation.
There is a sensor on the bezel on the Pre. The NeoNode had a raised bezel which prevented swiping from the edge of the screen.
A well, either way it all comes back to Xerox. And for sure it wasn’t something Nokia came up with.
And Acorn doing it in 1987 proves my point even better. Companies were doing it long before Nokia was doing it. Implementing a former workstation or desktop OS idea in a mobile OS isn’t innovation, that’s taking an idea from one place and putting it elsewhere.
Nowhere can I find any information about a movement sensor on the Pre’s bezel, care to elaborate?
Neonode had a raised bezel, of course, since it used infrared beams to detect movement, but, watch in on youtube and you’ll see, gestures were performed from one edge of the screen to the other.
Let me rephrase that, on the Series 90, upon first opening the device, you encountered a bottom row of essential app icons and a homescreen of app icons, similar to the structure iOS uses and a lot of the OSs after it, that was a concept that Nokia came up with, no other OS had it before, it is only the bottom part isolated that looks like previous concepts, so, one could perhaps argue that the bottom part was inspired by other OSs, the fact remain, as a whole, the concept was new at that time.
By your definition, no real innovation has occurred since the television, it had a screen, they just added a touch layer?
There is a reason that Nokia holds a ton of patents.
The bottom bezel is a gesture area. Look up videos on YouTube about the Pre. It’ll be there.
That’s still different from using the actual bezel as a gesture area, which the PlayBook and BB10 phones do (and the N9 somewhat emulates this behaviour even if it doesn’t have an active bezel).
Have you ever heard of NeXTStep? It was the originator of OSX’s dock, which does exactly what you describe, and was done in 1989. Not on a mobile OS, no, but transplanting something that existed on a desktop to a mobile device doesn’t count as innovation.
Nokia holds a ton of patents for hardware design. And the more recent patent suits show that a lot of patents that are granted really shouldn’t have been.
Listen, I don’t see that on youtube, but, it doesn’t matter anyway, the concept is the same, slide your finger from one edge to the other, the implementation may differ.
Sure it does, OSX’s dock was just a quick launch kind of thing, inspired once again from the icon area of Arthur OS. Series 90 had a dock if you will, ALONG with a homescreen of apps and not a menu, it is not the same thing.
Let me give you an example, a phone that has a camera was not something new, neither was a multitasking OS, but, 7650 slapped an multitasking OS and a camera and boom, the smartphones were born, just because cameras and multitasking existed, that doesn’t mean that smartphones weren’t an innovation. In that sense, there is no innovation ever.
The patent system is another topic altogether and I do agree it is overused, silly and only serves to profit the companies and not the end consumers.
Let me make it clear, I am not saying RIM copied Nokia or that X copied X or anything like that. Some things are just common sense and are implemented by everyone. But saying that Nokia copied Palm when clearly everyone copied everyone just doesn’t sound right to me.
You’re right, it doesn’t matter. Regardless, the Pre with webOS implemented the idea of swiping from the edge of the screen before the N9 did with Harmattan. As did the PlayBook.
A home screen of apps is like having icons on the desktop, again, nothing new in Series 90, just shrinking it down to a smaller screen size.
The Smartphone was born in 94 with the IBM Simon, the existence of a camera isn’t what makes a smartphone – otherwise the E62 would not be a smartphone, nor would all the BlackBerries that are made without cameras for businesses that didn’t allow them.
I agree everyone’s copying everyone, but if you’re going to make the copying argument on as weak grounds as people are making about the Dev Alpha B, then Nokia did copy Palm (and RIM).
I’m not going around proactively saying Nokia copied anyone, but when some overzealous Nokia fans start claiming that someone is copying them, I do set them straight.
This is a protective cover. The actual device does not have raised edges and has rounded corners.
You know – you throw away diamond, someone picks it up and brushes it and makes the jewel… He’s no copying, he’s clever guy
I’m sure that ‘throw away’ design is still being used to this day. There’s a new phone coming called the 920 that sure looks like that N9/800/900.
And comparing the 920 to the Dev Alpha B saying they look alike is about as retarded as Apple saying they own rectangles with rounded corners.
my next phone
You know, the whole “swipe” ui comes from WebOS
And I love it, really.
I even picked up a playbook because of it. (not worth it if you ask me, the playbook lags so badly)
There must be something wrong with your PlayBook I’m afraid. Mine at least is working smoothly.
Have you tried to reinstall the OS with the Desktop Manager?
I’m on the release playbook OS on my 64gb model, no lags – overall its way slicker than my similarly specced Android tablet (and I’d go as far to say that the PB handles Android apps better than Android devices).
Going back to Android having used the swipe interface makes Android feel so ridiculously clunky.
I haven’t had that feeling about the Android Player, but the UI inconsistency really bothers me. Unless it’s something I really need, I’d rather not have that jarring effect of the apps launching in the player. 2.1 will hopefully change that, I’ve got a few apps I’d like to sideload (mainly Triple Triad from FFVIII).
Do you have the latest .668 update on it? They pulled it after problems upgrading from 1.0.7, but it’s slowly being released back. I had some lag problems until that update.
Being a symbian fans currently using 603, BB10 might definately be my next phone.
Still looking up for Jolla. won’t use Nokia again with those horrible Lumpias.
You’re missing out if you hate lumpia. Veggy Lumpia, soft white lumpia, bbq lumpia. Delicious.
Good luck for your Jolla/BB device.
First video at 1.23, same way to set the alarm like in the N9…
http://mobilesyrup.com/2012/09/25/video-rim-demos-blackberry-10-web-browser-and-flow/
I had a Timex wrist watch 10 years ago that let you set the alarm the same way.
Was it a touch screen? Did anyone else ever think to translate this into a touch screen interface before N9? Genuine question.
It didn’t have a touch screen, no, but it was actually directly controlling the alarm by turning the dial, not by pulling the nub out and turning it that was normally done. Translating that to a touch screen is Skeumorphism (something Apple’s getting shit on a lot for right now, rightfully so since they take it too far).
I haven’t seen it done before on a touch screen no, but I have seen it done on a computer with mouse interface (which could then be put on a touch screen device since there have been Windows and Linux tablets since at least ~2003.
-1 LOL, just admit defeat, you’re not all knowing.
I never claimed to be, you’re retarded if you think commenting -1 with no constructive content will have any effect on me.
Seems to have, you’ve been making personal attacks in the last posts already yourself, looks like you’re just a retarded.
Definitely looks like N9 esp. when it has its silicone rubber casing on!
OMG, one device with a case looks like another device with a case. Stop the presses!
Where have I seen that one before…
As an N9 and Lumia user, and also just trying BB10 on an alpha device, I can tell you it’s not just the look of the phone that’s similar to the N9, the whole OS instantly made “N9 rip off” come to mind when using it.
I really want RIM to succeed but other than the keyboard, it feels like just a blatant copy of parts of Windows Phone, Meego, Android and iOS. Each of which have their own focus/identity and nail it in their own right, as of right now I’m nt seeing how BB10 can differentiate itself. I could be wrong, but I have a feeling users will see it as the mish mash phone. Opinions anyways.
You clearly didn’t use the PlayBook when it came out. My first thought when I saw the N9 announced was “Hey, I really liked that on the PlayBook, glad someone’s doing it as a phone.” RIM can’t be ripping the N9 off when they did what the N9 did first.
MeeGo didn’t have anything original in it, anything that was supposedly copied from MeeGo is actually being copied from whatever MeeGo copied it from. Android doesn’t have anything original either. iOS arguably has pinch to zoom. Windows Phone has the look and feel that’s original, but that’s not something BB10 is copying.
And Nokia didn’t rip-off RIM because the PB only come out shortly before the N9, & besides that, there was some significant differences between them even then, + PB as it was then, is VERY different to how BBX is looking now.
Again, you suck at reading. I already said that a couple days ago.
The changes in BBX are more going back to webOS than in any direction set by Harmattan.
And I read that, no reading comprehension fail here, as much as you want to resort to the personal attacks, I was just reinforcing the point.
They’re incremental improvements based largely (but far from exclusively) on harmattan, which of course was largely inspired by webos.
I don’t mean ripoff from a legal stand point, it just felt like it had been done. Considering the n9 was probably in beta in the playbook time proves this irrelevant.
I just don’t see anything to resonate with users and have them say “This is BB10.” or what have you. I don’t know it seems like too much of a purely catch up device to me.
Like I said these are just my opinions, I’m not looking for a heated argument or make everyone flip their total dick switch and do the typical internet anonymity trying to be a real man shiz.
i smell sue over here… nokia has the pattent for the swipe ui right?
If they do, it’s a useless patent, as RIM brought a product to market before Nokia announced the N9, so RIM only has to look at their own product portfolio to find an example of prior art.
There was big differences between them, yes MANY similar design ideologies, but there’s plenty of little differences that combine to make for totally different UX’s, BBX draws them much closer in terms of overall UX, agreed that either suing the other is pointless/silly.
No, BBX doesn’t draw them closer. Quite the opposite actually, as only the top and bottom bezel are active gesture areas. You’re getting confused because going from a tablet to a smartphone necessitates certain logical UI changes that any useful smartphone would have to adapt.
That hasn’t been my experience all, quite the contrary, the overall UX feels much more akin than the tablet did for me.
You’re dense. Of course it’s more akin, it’s a phone. That’s what I just said.
And yet you also tried to suggest Harmattan’s UX is much more akin to the PB’s (a tablet), but when someone suggests the latest handset is more-so (which it is) you argue the opposite.
Insults flowing thick & fast…
Hoorah for Blackberry with their BBOS10 – truly a home for Nokia N9 refugees when the last handset sinks!
Don’t flatter Nokia. RIM obviously made the design choice for utilitarian purposes and I really doubt RIM was trying to follow the “design genius coming out of Nokia” or something like that. The Dev Alpha B comes with a hard shell to give the devices maximum protection until launch. The DAB is rather ugly in person. Nokia can have the design back, RIM is dropping it at launch.
The funny thing is….
Much of the insinuation here (mainly from one individual) has been that Palm>WebOS>RIM are the masterminds of all the most significant UX components, & that Nokia is just a copy cat.
Well… Exhibit A:
https://twitter.com/andrewzhilin/status/254187269676752896