TheVerge: Nokia selling more Lumias than Blackberry selling phones

| July 18, 2013 | 94 Replies

Screen Shot 2013-07-18 at 12.53.37From todays results, TheVerge notes that Nokia’s ‘Record’ 7.4 million Nokia Lumias beats BlackBerry’s shipment volumes.

Nokia’s smartphone portfolio consists now of just Windows Phone, aka Lumia. The Symbian segment is negligible now and the Asha isn’t considered as a smartphone. The upward trend for Nokia Lumia continues upwards, bolstered by highly praised entry level handsets such as the 520/620.

You could say that BB is still ramping up. Out of their last quarter sales, just 2.7M were BBOS.


Expectations for Q3 from our readers estimates between 8-8.5M, 10M for Q4 2013. There’s one more major announcement for Nokia Lumia (possibly?) which may not be available early enough to impact Q4, but the likes of the 1020 should definitely gain some worldwide attention as the first mass market 41MP camera (808 unfortunately did not get the same availability or awareness given Nokia’s shift to WP). Hopefully that does create the expected ‘halo effect’ onto the rest of Nokia’s portfolio. Early indications seem positive.

The fight between BB and WP/Lumia is even more interesting because they’re currently fighting for third place. In sales, with the ‘assistance’ of the other OEMs, the WP numbers to rise ever so slightly more so compared to BB.

Fingers crossed an October announcement from MS gives a good surprise for WP users. Or at least give us some form of a worthy update this year.

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Cheers to Janne for the heads up


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  • Janne

    Also, we need to remember – ecosystems wise – BlackBerry basically has two completely different ecosystems: BB7 and BB10. A bit like Symbian and MeeGo, without even a Qt link between them.

    It is, though, way too early to call BB10 a failure. We must wait more to see where it can go. It might still work out.

    On the other hand, Nokia has the Asha full-touch and qwerty smartphones that are very competitive compared to the cheap BB7 models. I know the industry loves to ignore them, but Nokia sells a lot more than BlackBerry in total.

    But good to see the Windows Phone ecosystem clearly take a position beyond BB10 (even BB7+BB10) in numbers. There’s some important psychology there.

    • wp8lob

      Actually only 4.3 million full touch ashas were sold in q2. People worldwide are moving to smartphones, no matter how badly the low end androids lag.

      • Janne

        Yes, more full-touch Ashas than either BB7 or BB10 devices – and together with Lumia sales enough to put Nokia securely into third smartphone manufacturer place.

        It is mediocre, sure, considering Nokia’s place five-ten years ago in the smartphone market. However, that’s the price Nokia has paid for their fumblings under both OPK and Elop.

        • Janne

          (And if we count qwerty Ashas, which really are quite similar to low-end BB7’s in many ways, that number is even more.)

        • spacemodel

          ‘It is mediocre, sure, considering Nokiaโ€™s place five-ten years ago in the smartphone market’.

          Correction: three years ago.

          • Janne

            Nokia’s place three years ago was a shadow of their marketshare 5-10 years ago. Symbian had lost A LOT, some due to iPhone, most due to Android.

            • spacemodel

              I think Nokia would be very pleased if it has that ‘shadow of marketshare’ at this moment, don’t you think, Janne?

              • Random Random

                Yes, but Nokia was losing market share with Symbian, back in 2010.

                It was destined to lose it.

    • MNhut

      I think you can clearly say that BB10 is a failure. When someone is considering buying a new phone, they never think about Blackberry (even corporates are ditching them)! You always think about iPhone / Galaxy / One & now Lumia : people are beginning to recognize Nokia’s awesomeness ๐Ÿ˜€

      • Janne

        People sure are beginning to recognize Nokia’s awesomeness.

        But it was not long ago that many people were deeming Lumia a failure. I will give BB10 a chance to really show its colors and not make that mistake of calling it too soon.

        But sure, there is reason for concern for BB. Especially with BB10 2 GB RAM requirement, RIM is struggling to span price-points. That is worrisome. And up in the high-end there is the ecosystem question more present than ever.

        • arts

          Is there really a 2GB ram requirement? ๐Ÿ˜‰

          I mean beyond the “I dont see a 1GB BB10 device, so means it does not exist” kinda theory?

          Is the same bullcrap the nutters here kept saying about WP (No 41mp device means it does not support 41MP) and i would like be able to see the evidence so i wont make an epic fool of myself like the symbian/meego/jolla nutjobs.


          • n8thebest

            Blackberry refuses to admit it. I have seen multiple Blackberry employees post on Canadian websites speaking of such a requirement.

            Also Q5 was designed to be their “low end” BB10 device. So why then does it have 2GB of RAM?

            • arts

              Also Q5 was designed to be their โ€œlow endโ€ BB10 device. So why then does it have 2GB of RAM?

              trust me im on your side on this; i just dont wanna look like an idiot ๐Ÿ˜‰ refer to the rest of my post.

              • n8thebest

                I can try to find the links where I saw this

          • DesR85

            “Is there really a 2GB ram requirement? ;)”

            The games I know which requires 2 GB RAM are mostly on the PCs/Laptops.

            Frankly, I’m surprised that people still want to play games with high-definition graphics, which obviously requires high specs, on a small screen (boy, do I sound like a broken record).

            These people should really get a console or a PC/laptop if they like these games, in my opinion.

            • arts

              not just that, the controls are really…. klunky. Maybe im more jaded now, but seriously, playing fps on touchscreens dont make sense.

              • DesR85

                I probably think that’s where controllers like the MOGA Pro Controller (Link: come in for games like FPSes.

                Gamers will like it, but personally, I find it as unnecessary as I don’t play those kind of games on my phone.

          • Janne


            Is there really a 2GB ram requirement? ๐Ÿ˜‰

            I mean beyond the โ€œI dont see a 1GB BB10 device, so means it does not existโ€ kinda theory?

            Is the same bullcrap the nutters here kept saying about WP (No 41mp device means it does not support 41MP) and i would like be able to see the evidence so i wont make an epic fool of myself like the symbian/meego/jolla nutjobs.

            Touche, man, touche.

            I should have worded more carefully – let’s put it this way, currently there seems to be a 2 GB requirement, which of course may go away over time.

            I base this on the fact that 1) PlayBook has only 1 GB of RAM and they cancelled the BB10 port for PlayBook citing performance concerns and 2) the mid-ranger from BB, their current “cheap” BB10, also has 2 GB of memory, when 1 GB would sound like an easy way to slash price (rather than, say, removing flash from a still relatively expensive mid-ranger which not even Nokia does).

            My completely uneducated guess would be the Android emulator. Maybe it requires a lot of RAM?

            But sure, BB10’s with less memory may appear over time, but at this time they seem to be struggling with getting performance out of lesser hardware. You have to remember, PlayBook bags a still perfectly respectable dual-core processor – its sin is less RAM than BB10 devices. Had BB just cited focus concerns in cancelling the PlayBook version that is one thing, but they cited performance issues… so my take is the cancellation has to do with performance, not just business focus.

          • Janne

            Let’s be perfectly clear, though:

            BB10 is software.

            It is ABSOLUTELY possible BB can introduce a version that runs great on 1 GB of RAM.

            It is absolutely possible.

            But as said above, there are reasons to believe at this moment they are struggling with that a little. So, that’s worrisome.

        • Noki

          Janne, maybe just maybe BBRim is not trying to race to the bottom of the stack, leave that to all the Chinese manufactures, Nokias Samsungs and CO.
          I have a real hard time understand how can some one make a profit on a 100$-200$ smartphone, wen all expenses are factored in…

          • Janne


            One question: Why cancel the already announced/promised PlayBook port (that probably was quite far along) if RAM was not a concern? Was it the CPU? GPU?

            • Noki

              ooo no was not that trust me ๐Ÿ˜‰

              cant go into details but it had nothing to do with that.

              • Carbontubby

                Care to elaborate? Playbook users want to know ๐Ÿ™‚

              • Janne


                My second guess would be CPU.

                Maybe we’ll see 1 GB BB10’s soon. Then we can put this worry to rest.

              • Carbontubby

                The Playbook runs the Dev Alpha OS10 version just fine. Support was dropped in later versions and the 10.1 launch release.

                I thought it was a memory issue trying to squeeze in the Hub and the updated Android runtime, but if you’re saying it wasn’t a RAM issue, then what on earth could it be? Blackberry internal politics? ๐Ÿ™‚

                • Noki

                  How was the experience of running the dev alpha os on the playbook?
                  I know its fast but do you feel like it was designed for that screen? do you think the experience in that form factor is adequate?

      • spacemodel


        ‘people are beginning to recognize Nokiaโ€™s awesomeness’

        Which recognition?
        WP is still in the very low single digit numbers.
        Give me a source for that recognition.

  • Bloob

    Lumias started 1.5 years ago…

    I have not even tried BB10 yet, only seen some videos, but I’d argue that comparisons to WP are a bit pointless right now. Especially unit-comparisons.

    • twig

      I tried at ATT but failed to figure out how to get out of apps. Swipe? No. No buttons. How?

  • sri_tech

    My expectations are 8 million in Q3 and 10 million in Q4.

    They need to release another lumia below Lumia 520 for $120-$130. They already said this at MWC when they launched 520.

    They also need to release Lumia 625 in all many markets simultaneously like they did with Lumia 520 and 720. By August it should be in all emerging markets and Europe.

    They should release the next flagship (phablet may be) with all 4 top carriers in the fall. That will definitely improve the sales in USA.

    • Bloob

      520 & 720 launched simultaneously in many markets?

      Also, 9M and 12M ๐Ÿ˜‰

  • Rui Moraes

    Nokia need a Lumia dual chip for emergent countries, like Brazil.

    • arts

      dual sim? AGREED.

      • n8thebest

        There is a rumor that dual-SIM Lumias are coming soon, hopefully before the end of the year.

  • Janne

    OK, so a collection of my thoughts of Nokia Q2/2013 results:

    I think Nokia Siemens Networks (soon Nokia Networks? or maybe they’ll rename it THERE Networks for future spinoff) did splendidly. Nokia’s full acquisition of the will continue to reflect positively in this light. It is possible NSN is spun off eventually, maybe even IPO’d, but that’s not something to speculate on today.

    Lumia is fast approaching the mediocre success line. The trend over the past, soon two years has been a clear one. There may still be a setback quarter in the future, similar to Q3/2012, if there is ramp-up delay in generational changes, but overall Lumia is doing steady. The products are great, WP is getting there (if ever slowly), Nokia’s own software contributions to WP/Lumia are beyond expectation, the app ecosystem is getting more and more support… heck, Halo comes out tomorrow! It will work out, barring an external force like Nokia acquisition or somesuch.

    HERE is improving as a brand, but considering the very limited uptake of WP outside of Nokia, I’m not sure the WP side investment is helping it much beyond Lumia devices of course – let alone the Android and iOS efforts. Well, I guess Amazon can help a little. It is still an unknown how well and wide Nokia can lay their HERE net beyond the automotive and Lumia devices. So, financially, I consider HERE more of a support for Lumia at this time than anything great. On the Lumia, though, the HERE experience has really been going through the roof. The latest version of the HERE suite is just revolutionary fantastic really.

    The big clouds are gathering around the low-end phones. While the Smarterphone acquisition and the new Asha 501 and potential followers are great from products perspective, I continue to worry about the ecosystem situation. Has Asha not plummeted since last quarter, Nokia’s devices and services – and the whole company – could already be well on the positive IRFS side of numbers. The low-end ecosystem play (even with Meltemi) certainly was always the weakest link of the February 11th strategy. And unfortunately some of those risks seem to have been realized. This here, actually, is the one thinking speaking in favor of Android. Could Nokia have flooded this space faster with cheap Android models? On the other hand, there is a risk they might have been crap products and Samsung’s vertical integration would have obliterated Nokia there anyway. At least the Asha brings something unique and well-suited for the pricepoint – but it hurts from the lack of a higher-end ecosystem.

    The only upsides, for Nokia’s low-end (Asha/Nokia models), really is BB’s somewhat unexpected struggle to reach lower end pricepoints with BB10 apparently requiring 2 GB of RAM to function properly – at least for now, enough to kill PlayBook version of BB10. This means at least the low-end isn’t being attacked by both Android and BB10, Nokia only has to worry about Android there. But still, the Anrdoid threat is formidable as we know. Lumia 520, on the other hand, doing splendidly at a remarkable pricepoint and staving of some of the low-end losses.

    And that’s pretty much all I need to say about that.

    • n8thebest

      Did you read the full Q2 results from Nokia? Seems like you weren’t paying attention much.

      Rand McNally has chosen to use the HERE platform. That is a big North American company, so that is great news for HERE. Furthermore, the US Federal Highway Administration will be using HERE data as well.

      As well a search company in the US called Spokeo has chosen to use the HERE platform.

      Let’s not forget that the Asha OS phones starting with the 501 will have HERE available as well.

      The HERE net continues to expand. Incorporating HERE into the new Asha devices is quite genius. It dramatically will improve the amount of real-time data that the HERE platform receives, and will only help make HERE services more accurate.

      • Janne

        I read it quickly, not everything due to time constraints.

        Sure, HERE has made some individual progress outside of automotive and Nokia devices and when I said it benefits Lumia – obviously I meant Nokia phones in general. I should have been more clear about that, I just thought it was self-evident.

        I don’t know if you knew this, but Nokia has incorporated Nokia Maps – really just a renamed HERE Maps – on Asha for years now. So that was included in my thinking. Of course that will continue.

        But, really, those individual stories are like those press releases saying this or that company has adopted Lumia. In isolation they mean very little for the broader market. We’ll see how HERE fares, but so far I haven’t seen major headway outside of automotive and Nokia’s own devices.

        I’m not saying HERE is some kind of failure outside of automotive and Nokia’s own devices – I just don’t think it has proven itself financially either.

        • Janne

          To be clear, I hope HERE will continue to grow and do better in the future outside of automotive and Nokia devices. It would be a great boon for Nokia and for its devices too.

          • arts

            Is bing and here one and the same?

            Looking at the sheer about of integration between the google maps and its ecosystem makes me think the here platform might not make it alone.

            • Janne

              Yes, Nokia has a HERE deal with Bing Maps.

              I think HERE overall is doing fine. I didn’t mean to create FUD ๐Ÿ˜‰ at least. But yeah, financially it is still a bit of a drain.

              • spacemodel

                Where is your ‘Location, Location, Location’ joyfullness, Janne?

                Face it, HERE is interesting for just the WP part of the mobile world, which is abysmall, the rest prefers Google and that will not change, forever.

                • Janne

                  Location, location, location. It is right where it was yesterday or a year before. Don’t miss fiscal performance analysis with strategy analysis, unless you actually suddenly believe location doesn’t matter in Nokia’s strategy. Which would be a silly thing.

                  Performance analysis takes into consideration what has happened. Strategy analysis considers what the strategy is etc. These two can end up being different, obviously. Location has played a central role in Nokia’s strategy decisions and continues to be central to their strategy.

                  I was looking at where the HERE fiscals are, that’s what people do with quarterly reports – look at where things stand you know. We know HERE excels in automotive and inside Nokia devices, but other than that I see the gains modest at best. So no, I don’t think there is reason for financial jubilation on HERE at this time.

                  For some reason I actually look at what Nokia does, why it does it, and then how it performs. Unlike some people with an agenda, when Nokia fails (not the case with HERE), is doing less than stellar (is the case with HERE), I say so.

                  • Tom

                    Money matters. May be you should look at that aspect of ‘HERE” too.

        • n8thebest

          Yes I am aware Nokia Maps for S40 has been available for a few years now. However, HERE Maps Beta for the Asha platform is a HUGE difference in terms of usability. Have you seen what the UI looks like for Nokia Maps S40, compared to HERE Maps Beta for Asha Platform 1.0?

          It’s a huge usability difference. the HERE Maps beta UI actually looks very similar to the Windows Phone 8 HERE UI. This is of course just the start. Imagine if they somehow are able to integrate HERE Drive into the Asha Platform, or HERE Transit? That would be absolutely huge.

          Many Androids in the $100 or less price range don’t even have full Google Maps access, and especially in China, many cheap Androids don’t have access to the Google Play Store.

  • twig

    Looking at the chart, the next trend line for BB is going down for the next three quarters. The game changer in the U.S. for Windows phones is taking sales talk out of the hands of the Apple and Androids ATT salespeople and putting it in the hands of Microsoft Store salespeople and things like HSN but backing it up with production to have the product available. My 1020 order was almost canceled by Microsoft Store online because they couldn’t verify my address(again) and during my asking if he was going to buy this great phone I said he used iPhone. I noticed he kept wanting to cancel my order a little to quickly so I started mentioning the rainbow IOS6 which kind of freaks me out, those icons that have no personal relationship to me, pecking like a chicken to have to find anything on an iPhone….oh, he found my address!! I knew he would. I just kept going on and on about the iPhone and he now just wanted to quickly put the order in. He had a heavy New York accent (I like picking on Bronx boys). This call is recorded for training purposes.

    • twig

      Sorry he said he used iPhone.

  • Alexx

    How can one compare the sales of an old smartphone line with a new one? Stupid comparison is stupid.
    When Nokia released the Lumia phones, in the last quarter of 2011, Q4, they have sold only 1 milion devices.
    BlackBerry, in his first quarter of BB10 sales, Q1 2013, sold 2.7 mil. BB10 devices.
    Now let’s compare: 1 mil vs 2.7 mil… BB10 is gaining momentum. In only has 6 months on the market.
    2.7 mil devices in the first quarter of sales… this is very very good!

    • Janne

      Yes, this is one point why it is too early to say BB10 has failed. Maybe they can make it work.

      • Alexx

        I am sure they can make it work. BB10 is fantastic, it has many features that WP still lacks after 3 years. BB just launched 10.1 update and 10.2 update is ready to be launched. What MS does? Nothing. WP will fail

        • Janne

          But those features mean very little if they can’t differentiate enough from Android – and Android has the same apps and more apps. They need to do something really unique with BB10 to separate themselves from iOS and Android.

          WP/Lumia has that differentiation. It can be a curse at times, but in the long run I think it will be its salvation – the third choice. BB10 is a lot like one more Android for the average watcher, only with less apps.

          But yes, BB10 can work.

          • Alexx

            Features like swipe, peak, multitasking (real multitasking), BB hub, more secure, smart keyboard (the best keyboard I have seen on a phone ever), bbm video with screen share, bb balance and the top browser with the best scores.

            Don’t get me wrong, I own a Lumia 820. And a Z10. And I can see clearly that Z10 outperforms the Lumia in every aspect.

            • theflew

              Of all the things you mentions about BB10. If I went into AT&T which one of those features would cause me to pick it over an iPhone, SG4 or even WP which are more known?

            • Janne


              Yes, BB10 has some nice ideas. Also, BB is one of the few companies still making hardware keyboards in high-end products. They have points of differentiation. Time will tell if they have enough of them.

              • jiipee

                when comparing the features, one should consentrate on the value to companies & business users, which are BBs main target segment nowadays.

                I have no input on that. All I know, is that MS has promised more biz features for 2014 and Nokia has made some apps

    • n8thebest

      Wrong. This is now the 2nd quarter of BB10 sales. The Z10 went on sale in early February.

      Also Blackberry cannot get cheaper currently than the Q5, due to the high hardware requirements of BB10.

      BB10 is going to fail. Blackberry has less money and assets than Nokia, has no proper ecosystem like Windows, and has no support like Nokia has with Microsoft.

      • n8thebest

        *regarding quarter sales, my mistake, misread your post. BB10 sales still have barely increased.

        News is that the Q5 is doing really poorly, and some carriers are sending back stock to Blackberry already.

        • Noki

          BB as over 3 billion in the bank with zero doubt unlike nokia, they had less loss than nokia did this quarter and if they had a loss its mostly because of the money they got stuck in Venezuela.

          Q5 is doing poorly? link please.

          market expected 3-4M bb10’s this quarter it came out a bit short with 2.7 M Not great but not bad for a company that is selling phones at 500$ a pop an that only had the Q10 selling for a month.

      • Alexx

        No proper ecosystem? How many apps did BB had on the launch day? How many apps do they have now, after 6 months? 120.000
        How many apps WP has after 3 years? 150.000
        You do the math

        • Janne

          BB10 certainly got the greatest app-count launch in the history of smartphones, beating everyone, Android, Nokia and iOS (probably all combined). Some of that came from Android apps – and not with very good results – but still, it is a commendable number.

          We’ll see how they fare going forward, what the quality and user-experience of those is etc. But sure, it shows the power of the U.S. app developers and the reason why Microsoft/Nokia needs to be present in the U.S. smartphone market and court those people to develop for WP/Lumia too or instead.

          Small correction: WP has 165 000 apps after roughly 2.5 years on the market.

        • n8thebest

          Most BB10 apps are poorly-ported Android apps. This has been proven by many developers.

          • Noki

            ignorance is bliss 20% is not most not even close.

      • Janne

        Yes, BB10 actually sold very close to Lumia numbers in its first two quarters. Both hard partial first quarter with around 1 million sales and a full second quarter with around 2 million sales (a little more for BB10).

    • Noki

      not 6 months in the market, 4, the 2.7 M, was about .8 M under market expectations, but on the other end the asp is far greater than the Lumia range.

    • wp8lob

      Sorry blackberry’s first quarter brought them 1 million. Their second quarter gave them 2.7 million. BTW, the market back then was much smaller compared to what it its now. Talk of percentages and it points a better picture.

      1 million z10 sales came in just three weeks. Then 2.7m BB10 included three months of z10 and one month of q10. Clearly BB10 is losing.

      • Noki

        how many lumias are there for sale now and during the entire quarter? 1? 2? 11?

        • wp8lob

          You want to compare with current quarter? My reply was to a different post.

          Well, let us discuss Samsung, HTC and Sony shall we?

      • Random Random

        You are talking with Nokia fans.

        Once Nokia lost market share in H2 2010 it became apparent that talking about market share is irrelevant for Nokia fans. If it was relevant, they would have taken a different approach on the market share.

        That’s why those comparisons can be made with absolute numbers.

        That’s why it’s possible to compare Lumia sales to the original iPhone sales or to sales BB had.

        When talking with Nokia fans.

  • Janne

    The biggest upside, in my opinion, of this BlackBerry comparison news is the the perception of the average U.S. developer (and media too). WP/Lumia needs all the developer attention it can get – and many of the prominent developers are in the U.S.

    It is good for WP/Lumia to be seen as the third ecosystem, instead of BlackBerry, in the eyes of those U.S. developers. In this way BB’s woes are helping Nokia and Microsoft.

    Again, the U.S. developer and media attention resonates all over the world. So if the message gets across to U.S. developers and media that WP/Lumia is the new third kid on the block, that is good.

    • n8thebest

      Blackberry is dead in the US. Finished. BB10 sales are almost non-existent in the US. If you think Lumia sales are bad in the US, BB10 sales are worse.

      • Janne

        Too soon to say. But sure, it is possible they can fail there.

        • n8thebest

          BB10 US sales are almost non-existent and on a downward trend. Sorry, this is as clear as day.

          • Janne

            Sure, but to say dead means it is a permanent state of decline leading to 0.

            I think it is too soon to say permanent. It might be permanent, though.

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  • manu

    asha phones are not going to do well unless some full fledge smartphone apps and games are ported onto it,
    the quick remedy to increase sales is to launch some cheap phablet devices like samsung grand/quattro

    • wp8lob

      Forget smartphone apps, the latest 501 cannot even run many s40 apps directly.

  • Keith too

    Just about every Nokia fan in North America says Nokia’s carrier exclusivity deals are hurting them in there and yet Nokia continues on with them like some stubborn lout refusing to see the evidence. Look at that graph showing the North American sales–clearly the NA strategy is an complete failure. Getting rid of the carrier exclusivity won’t solve it all of course but it would be a big step in the right direction.

    • Janne

      I guess there is a reason for it. Nokia wants to get into carrier stores, because that is the place to be, but to get carriers to pay proper attention exclusive dealings are the incentive. Nokia needs those carriers to show up also towards U.S. media and developers, which has global ramifications…

      Still, it is a hard road definitely. The tough question posed by “the Forbes lady” to Elop and AT&T at the latest event was perfectly warranted. But how much worse might the situation be if Nokia was simply peddling the same phone to all carriers?

      How well did the HTC 8X fare on all carriers?

      • Keith too

        That’s the theory on carrier exclusives but the employees at Rogers stores ignore Windows Phones as much as the other carriers do. Most Lumias get sold because people want them and often they have to withstand the carrier employee from trying to steer them towards a Galaxy or iPhone instead.

        I’m sure the HTC 8X sells better relative to Lumia sales in North America than anywhere else. Last week someone on the site where I’m working lately just purchased a Window Phone after I demoed my L920 to him a few times lately, but he bought an Ativ because that was all that was available on Bell.

        • Janne

          Sure, carrier exclusives can hurt. No denying that.

          On the other hand, Lumia is probably getting more marketing (in TV etc.) thanks to these deals. Still, the deals could be better though.


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    MS should buy them for the patents, and before they lose too many subscribers.

  • Owami Gelemu

    Guys whats the point. Why compare Nokia and BlackBerry but in South Africa teenagers voted BB the coolest phone here is a list of the coolest phones for SA teens.
    5.Sony Erricson
    So guys most important people should start making phones for teenagers.

    BB10 and Lumia can together to take out the big giants Android and Ios. But anyway Nokia will find its way.

    • Janne

      I guess BB10 is felt to be important here for at least two reasons:

      1) It is proxy showing what might have happened to Nokia if they would have stuck with their own “BB10” aka MeeGo.

      2) WP and BB are vying for the attention of the developers as the “third ecosystem”. This is especially true for North American developers. Sad but true, in some cases for WP/BB to win the attention of developers, the other one probably has to lose – and vice-versa.

      3) BB10 might be an interesting option for those old Nokia fans that can’t find their favorite product in Nokia’s current selection, as BB10 is closer to e.g. MeeGo in style.

      • Nathan

        I’ve never maintained bbx is a proxy, except maybe in the very loosest terms…

        How meego was to proceed/evolve was very different overall compared to bbx, similar core technologies used, but that’s where the similarities started/ended.

        • Janne

          BB10 and MeeGo share another similarity. They were the “next gen” in-house(ish) solution to replace aging legacy systems that were beginning to falter on the market (BB7, Symbian). Only one of the companies stuck to that strategy, so they proxy gives us a little clue how the other *might* have fared, had they stuck to their own version of the “BB10” strategy.

          No proxy is perfect, but it is the best we’ve got.

          • Nathan

            That’s true, that’s one other & final similarity, but that’s it, beyond that they’re VERY different in how they were to be administered/evolve.

    • Janne

      By the way, interesting insight from South Africa. Thank you for that!

  • katlego

    Wow… I’ve had so much to learn from all of you guys of how these manufacturers are scrabbling in the market to get their smartphones to the public and how most carrier employees try and market android and ois over WP. Tht reminds me of an indian guy at CellC here in south africa who wanted me to go for S3 whereas i wanted L920 which i declined

  • stylinred

    What do you expect when Lumia is available in more markets

    and most of all a multitude of price points

    Blackberry has 2 phones? one of them just coming to market now

  • GordonH

    To compare lumia series with BlackBerry OS10 series is not the right comparison. Lumia series already have 15 types of devices, with full prices ranging from +- $120 to $700ish. BlackBerry OS10 barely have 3 types of devices, ranging +- $600 to $700ish in full price.

    • Random Random


      Why then it was fair to compare Lumia to Symbian when Lumia was launched? There were lots of Symbian phones and only few Lumia phones.

      Apparently you are saying that it was not fair to compare Lumia phones to the Symbian phones.

      • keizka

        Valid point.

      • arts

        I love how the goalpost shifts when its dealing with the super evil devil incarnate OS right? ๐Ÿ˜‰

        Oh the hypocrisy. ROFL

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