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PureViewClub: Initial Nokia Lumia 1020 vs Nokia 808 PureView comparisons

| August 12, 2013 | 17 Replies

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A couple of posts from PureViewClub where there are some comparisons between the Nokia Lumia 1020 against the Nokia 808 PureView.

In the first shot the 808 is apparently set to ‘vivid’

http://pureviewclub.com/2013/15880

Macro

http://pureviewclub.com/2013/15927

Marc wants a bit more time with the Nokia Lumia 1020 to really take advantage of it, as he has learnt with his 808. But overall, he’s very pleased.

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I feel quite sure you don’t need me to come to your own conclusions, but to me in this case, most interesting fact is that you’ll be able to zoom in quite a bit closer with the Lumia 1020 than with the Nokia 808 PureView.

Also, I’m really impressed with the amount of detail the crop of the Lumia’s full resolution shot offers. I’m not saying which one “is better” however – I’ve written before I need much more time to get to know all the possibilities of the new Lumia 1020 (like if I know all of the 808 PureView…).

In these pretty basic shots, the results from the Lumia 1020 are very satisfying to me – it appears to perform better in detail in this case, but maybe less realistic in color. Please remember however, that the shots were not made at the exact same time, and there is a humble photographer behind each shot.

 

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Category: Nokia, PureView

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  • stylinred

    if you check out the forums there are many more comparisons between the 808/1020

  • milojko

    non-macro full res shots show more details on 808 than 1020, @Werner?

    • Werner Ruotsalainen

      Will check out promptly… have been working on my iOS camera article series lately…

      • Werner Ruotsalainen

        Nope, they are pretty much egal… prolly the 1020 is a BIT more detailed, by not much. For example, “Germany” is a bit more readable on the 1020 shot at http://pureviewclub.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Nokia-Lumia-1020-Small-harbour-3-crop.jpg?f82e68 than on that of the 808 ( http://pureviewclub.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Nokia-808-PureView-Small-harbour-3-crop.jpg?f82e68 ). The difference is, however, pretty small.

        The hi-res comparative shots I’ve seen so far have shown a definite lead for the 1020 in the detail / resolution dept. Well, these shots are pretty much different.

        BTW, the comments under the article also show this. An example:

        “For the first time I can finally see a good comparison between the 808 and the 1020. Every other comparison I have seen seems to be a bit biased towards the 1020, and for some bizarre reason the 808 image compares were soft. This is not the case with your shots!”

        What I’ve also noticed is that the 808 seems to show significantly less highlight clipping in many shots; for example,

        808: http://pureviewclub.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Nokia-808-PureView-Small-harbour-3.jpg?f82e68

        1020: http://pureviewclub.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Nokia-Lumia-1020-Small-harbour-3.jpg?f82e68

        Compare the clouds’ details and visibility in the top right corner.

        Another pair where the 1020 exhibits far worse highlight clipping than the 808:

        808: http://pureviewclub.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Nokia-808-PureView-Small-harbour-6-crop.jpg?f82e68

        1020: http://pureviewclub.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Nokia-Lumia-1020-Small-harbour-6-crop.jpg?f82e68

        Check the white hammer(?) in the center of the lower half of the screen – on the 1020 shots, it’s marred by highlight clipping. On the 808, not so.

        This doesn’t necessarily mean the 1020 has worse DR. Generally, the 1020 seems to choose somewhat larger EV’s to shoot; this is why, in general, the 1020 shots are a bit brighter. This also means you’ll want to shoot with a constant exposure compensation of -0.3 or even -0.6EV on the 1020 to avoid highlight clipping. Fortunately, it’s possible on the 1020 – unlike, say, on iOS ;-)

        Finally, in the noise dept, the 808 is clearly better.

      • Werner Ruotsalainen

        (Notice to mods: feel free to delete this post as soon as you accept the above one. I’ve quickly re-posted the same post so that it can immediately be published, without having to be moderated – without links.)

        Nope, they are pretty much egal… prolly the 1020 is a BIT more detailed, by not much. For example, “Germany” is a bit more readable on the 1020 shot at pureviewclub.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Nokia-Lumia-1020-Small-harbour-3-crop.jpg?f82e68 than on that of the 808 ( pureviewclub.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Nokia-808-PureView-Small-harbour-3-crop.jpg?f82e68 ). The difference is, however, pretty small.

        The hi-res comparative shots I’ve seen so far have shown a definite lead for the 1020 in the detail / resolution dept. Well, these shots are pretty much different.

        BTW, the comments under the article also show this. An example:

        “For the first time I can finally see a good comparison between the 808 and the 1020. Every other comparison I have seen seems to be a bit biased towards the 1020, and for some bizarre reason the 808 image compares were soft. This is not the case with your shots!”

        What I’ve also noticed is that the 808 seems to show significantly less highlight clipping in many shots; for example,

        808: pureviewclub.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Nokia-808-PureView-Small-harbour-3.jpg?f82e68

        1020: pureviewclub.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Nokia-Lumia-1020-Small-harbour-3.jpg?f82e68

        Compare the clouds’ details and visibility in the top right corner.

        Another pair where the 1020 exhibits far worse highlight clipping than the 808:

        808: pureviewclub.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Nokia-808-PureView-Small-harbour-6-crop.jpg?f82e68

        1020: pureviewclub.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Nokia-Lumia-1020-Small-harbour-6-crop.jpg?f82e68

        Check the white hammer(?) in the center of the lower half of the screen – on the 1020 shots, it’s marred by highlight clipping. On the 808, not so.

        This doesn’t necessarily mean the 1020 has worse DR. Generally, the 1020 seems to choose somewhat larger EV’s to shoot; this is why, in general, the 1020 shots are a bit brighter. This also means you’ll want to shoot with a constant exposure compensation of -0.3 or even -0.6EV on the 1020 to avoid highlight clipping. Fortunately, it’s possible on the 1020 – unlike, say, on iOS

        Finally, in the noise dept, the 808 is clearly better.

        • milojko

          “Nope, they are pretty much egal… prolly the 1020 is a BIT more detailed, by not much. For example, “Germany” is a bit more readable on the 1020 shot at pureviewclub.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Nokia-Lumia-1020-Small-harbour-3-crop.jpg?f82e68 than on that of the 808 ( pureviewclub.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Nokia-808-PureView-Small-harbour-3-crop.jpg?f82e68 ). The difference is, however, pretty small.”

          the difference in those letters is negligible(I can read both without fuss), however look at the stains(or rust points) in a top left corner of that blue object, there are a LOT more visible on 808 photo…

  • aklanai

    your links are linked to the same… link! Change the macro one =)

  • tom

    I like Marc, and love his site..but I have come to realize that while he seems like a very nice and great guy.. he is more of a novice when it comes to taking pictures and photography, so whatever conclusion he comes to here, I would not put a lot of expert photo credibility behind it.

    just saying…

  • dss

    The only way to get the maximum out of the 1020 is to shoot in full res and resize/adjust on a PC later.

    You can max out the 808 by putting in the 8Mpix pureview mode and set the jpeg quality to superfine, which is 95% . You can also add a bit of sharpness if you so desire.

    In terms of color.. you can make them pop on the 808 by switching to vivid + add 1 or 2 points of saturation.

    • Werner Ruotsalainen

      The over-saturating sometimes have a very bad effect on the 1020′s IQ. For example, check out the shot at

      http://pureviewclub.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Nokia-Lumia-1020-Small-harbour-4-crop.jpg?f82e68

      the letters on the hook are far more readable on the 808′s crop:

      http://pureviewclub.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Nokia-808-PureView-Small-harbour-4-crop.jpg?f82e68

      (and, of course, the color of the hook is also far more natural)

      Incidentally, I tried to make the letters on the 1020′s shot as readable as that of the 808 by desaturating the image. The result is at http://www.flickr.com/photos/33448355@N07/9496571286/in/set-72157634697436364 . Unfortunately, it’s still way less readable than the 808′s shot.

      All in all, I’m pretty much disappointed with these 1020 results – they are not really better than those of the 808, not even when it comes to detail retention. I really hope

      - this particular 1020 is just a lemon. Unfortunately, manufacturing lens is pretty hard; this is why there’re a lot of defocused lens out there. This particular 1020 may also belong to this category.

      - Nokia does add the ability to turn down saturation / noise reduction / sharpening.

      • Ziko

        We can see and count the threads of spider web below the steering, behind the NISSAN text in 808..! Breathtaking details by 808..!

        http://www.flickr.com/photos/pureviewclub/9486808634/in/set-72157635019618069

      • no name

        actually I think that the 1020 does pretty well in all but 2 of those images in the 1st comparison (images 3 and 6) and has slightly more details in images 4 and 5.. it produces more noise across the board.. though the difference certainly isn’t much! the 808 and 1020 in these conditions certainly are very close to each other at full-res..the 808 has a slight advantage as the newer sensor etc cannot makeup for the smaller pixels.. the bigger differences lie in the 5mp images where the 1020 goes for a saturated sharper image..whereas the 808 defaults to a cleaner image with less ‘pop’..neither of these two approaches are objectively better and nokia probably went for images with more saturation and detail as people with iPhones and Galaxies used to dismiss the 5mp images from the 808 as they were ‘dull’ and not as sharp..(though you can get very close to that 1020-type of an image with the 808 and with slightly lesser noise)..nokia even mentioned several times that the 5mp image was for quick sharing…and for that it’s perfect…saturated colors,great detail,great in low light etc ! more experienced users would probably use the full res image and down-sample it on a PC and get the images to be however they like (1020 like or 808 like) …
        however..http://forum.pureviewclub.com/index.php/topic,544.0.html
        it appears as if the 1020 is better at higher ISO’s than the 808 ..
        combined with OIS,larger aperture,BSI sensor, the 1020 probably beats the 808 at night though !

      • Ziko

        In this comparison, 1020 captures better details than 808 in VALENTNE text on left boat .

        http://www.flickr.com/photos/pureviewclub/9484002781/in/set-72157635019618069

        http://www.flickr.com/photos/pureviewclub/9486811826/in/set-72157635019618069

        @Experts,i find a kind of oil painting effect is in 1020′s images. Is this due to the BSI sensor ?

  • Junnior Reis

    Both 1020 and 808 are weak in macro mode and this is easily explained by the optical assembly and sensor 2 devices in this giant !

    Incidentally macro mode is my only complaint about the 808 certainly is the only point that could be improved, but not by the way that Nokia has managed to improve in 1020 !

    Also this comparison 808 fared better, with more detail, better exposure and less noise !

    Sorry to disappoint, but you will make comparative 1000 and 1000 the 808 will do better !

    • dss

      Pretty much.. there will be very few situations where the 1020 might do better in terms of IQ.

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