Does “MeeGo” even matter?
The more astute among you may notice that the “MeeGo” mentioned in the title is placed in quotes. That’s something I’ll get to a little later but first let’s address a few important points from my last editorial. Many of you mentioned that Nokia had a great ecosystem before the deal with Microsoft and that joining a dying ecosystem with no marketshare made no sense. Fair, Microsoft’s marketshare is on the decline but so is Nokia’s, along with decreasing profits and outlook, “strong” ecosystem or not. Others commented that Nokia had already embarked on a relationship with Intel in order to create the open-source OS called MeeGo which would be used across a myriad of consumer electronics devices. That’s nice and all, but we’ve yet to see any deliverable product from that there venture. Further to the point, the “MeeGo” we see now is not even MeeGo in the literal sense!!! The MeeGo running on the N9 is from all indications Harmattan at the core with a MeeGo-ish UI and API compatibility slapped on. Might be a big part of the reason why media and assets from Nokia CONSTANTLY mention Harmattan when describing the OS. Given that Harmattan is, more or less proprietary with the use of upstream components, the open-source nuts should probably quit criticising other “closed” ecosystems so much.
Further to this,Intel specifically promised mobile-ready chips by the end of 2010, amongst other things that I’m sure Nokia were promised or assured of prior to signing this agreement. We’re now halfway through 2011 and we’ve yet to see anything of the sort. If anything, ARM is starting to creep into the lower spectrum of Intel’s space and with greater support for ARM architecture by the largest OS on the market, they may begin to cede parts of their market they’d rather not lose.
So let’s set this straight, the N9 ain’t running the Open Source, Intel co-developed MeeGo for handsets and the only reason the MeeGo branding can be used in the first place is because of the “similarities” between the Harmattan API and the MeeGo API. Furthermore, Harmattan uses a very substantial UI framwork layer called MeeGo Touch whereas the MeeGo being developed with Intel does NOT and instead relies on Qt Quick for the UI framework.
PS. The UI that’s running on top of the N9 isn’t open source either by the way.
So now that that’s out of the way, we get to the meat of the matter. If MeeGo Harmattan isn’t really MeeGo as some of ‘us’ would like to think and the two use more or less incompatible UI frameworks then further development on this “MeeGo”-Harmattan, especially when future versions of the Open Source, Intel co-developed MeeGo don’t use this framework don’t make any sense. Cue Stephen Elop’s comments mirroring this exact point. In essence Harmattan won’t be developed much further than the current state.
The craziest thing though is that MeeGo itself isn’t important! The things that supposedly make MeeGo the best thing since sliced bread (it’s certainly the best thing out of Finland since Linux — I kid!!) are the same things that make the UI, UX, Applications and designs and performance platform-INDEPENDENT. The best things, the most important things about the MeeGo experience are all possible due to Qt! The same cross-platform development and UI framework is the reason all of this is impressive in the first place.
In essence the MeeGo experience isn’t all really due to MeeGo (though the Linux kernel probably plays a sizeable role) but due to the capabilities of Qt and good design. Which is all more or less portable to platforms of Nokia’s choice! What’s even more awesome is that not only will Qt continue to support Symbian (for the short time it will exist post 2012) but it will move on to support Nokia’s largest platform. And there have been rumblings that there are big things on the Horizon on that front. 
I guess the key takeaway (this is definitely aimed at the TL;DR folks) is that whether or not MeeGo succeeds, while relevant is not the be all and end all. Whether Qt succeeds on the other hand, is the crux of Nokia’s strategies moving forward. I’ll leave you with Attila Csipa’s tweet
“Repeat after me: the N9′s ecosystem is #Qt. It’s not one of the kind. It’s the kind that can share software with 100M+ devices”
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I wanted to write about this topic [ Qt for S40? ]too (or whatever S40 will be renamed to)
This is where MeeGo will live. This is the importance of everything that was announced on June 21.
It is all about Qt.
Remember that the Qt Patented UI will live on in future Nokia devices. Think 400M S40 handsets per year suddenly having that MeeGo UI.
Many people are ending up with this conclusion. Even Nokia doubter, Eldar. When asked whether MeeGo will live “yes it will alive in s40″.
This is so, so, so big it might deserve a few more posts to drum it in. Nokia stock as you said is so cheap now.
wasnt NOK down to $4.xx its so high now @ $5.88
wait let me take a page out of the delusional MeeGo fanboys by being dishonest
wasn’t the closing stock price on the day Elop announced support for WP7 $9.36?
MeeGo Fanboys fail again! LOL so much for the MeeGo announcement being all positive for the company.
whut? i was being serious
and my message was in regards to it being a good time to buy stock since its low; nothing about announcements causing stock prices to rise/fall
It would be interesting to see MeeGo live on S40.
BTW S40 needs a serious name change.
most likely, it will
Are you aware that S40 doesn’t support multitasking? And how can Meego live in operating system which doesn’t support multitasking?
It’s not going to be MeeGo, but the swipe gestures/interface.
Plus we don’t really know what S40 will be doing in future. It’s not meant to do a lot of things but it does (e.g. now Nokia Maps).
How can s40 support Qt and not multi tasking?
QT is a godsend we all know this… except Elop
Qt moving to an even larger platform than before because it can be developed faster is him not knowing?
There are at least 2, maybe 3 S40 projects going on and all will be getting access to Qt. HOW is that demonstrative of him not knowing?
because he didnt demand microsoft to integrate QT into WP7
a clear bargaining chip because Microsoft was desperate at that moment and it was an opportunity to latch QT onto another OS
relegating QT into S40 is simply crossing ones fingers
and whether that was a spark of genius from Elop remains to be seen
What if it’s not relegation though?
There’s good reason Qt wasn’t integrated… it would have slowed down development and would have made optimising for two different approaches to SW development approaches and would have increased Nokia’s work-load and increased costs.
Could they have pushed it harder? Maybe, would it have been that good in the end? Maybe?
But is it better to save your best assets for your own internal projects, almost certainly. The man isn’t nearly as much of an “idiot” as people think he is IMO. Maybe misinformed at times but never an idiot.
the perceived potential for qt S40 is great especially with those rumors of 1ghz chips on S40; there’s no doubt about it (but again its simply hope)
but considering the demographic of S40 how can you not consider it relegation
the imagined potential sounds like a greater task than developing meego :/
Demographic is fluid no?
Symbian was the pinnacle at one point, it’s bargain basement according to some people at this point.
certainly; but now we’re assuming a lot will have happened for S40 to be able to swing demographics
and so like i said crossing fingers on a task that sounds like it’ll be harder longer than MeeGOs attempt (non attempt?)
so in conclusion Elop=fail
I hear that having an established base of Qt developers, Qt assets, well fleshed out dev tools and a solid core don’t hurt your chances of progress much. Especially when it’s cheap-ish.
MeeGo stalled in part due to Intel I’d say. Still haven’t seen Medfield (scheduled for devices for early this year)
I LOVE QT; I feel like its getting the short end of the stick here.
I hope all things will go well with it but realistically i don’t think we’ll see anything if at all for quite some time and by then… will Nok still be Nok? (or Microsoft
)
And yeah MeeGO doesn’t seem to be going anywhere but I wonder how much that has to do with Elop and pulling resources?
perhaps i should add so @ this point qt s40 is a demotion maybe, hopefully, in the future it won’t be seen as one
Qt can not be integrated into wp. It goes against all wp stands for.
Qt is about cross platform compatibility. Wp is about making a more smartphone-like ios in different casings with different brandings.
Enough Andre every one knows ur a WP7 guys, it is evident in most of ur posts, it is like the way we tend to see Engadget diss Nokia all the time, it is what we now also tend to see you diss anything from Nokia that is not WP7
If it wasn’t Andre, I would have posted it.
What we’re hearing from NOKIA is that this may be the last MeeGo phone but the important thing here is not MeeGo itself but Qt and this new swipe UI that could live into a new generation of handsets.
The worst thing Nokia did was NOT to go with Windows Phone but to jump into bed with Intel and destroy Maemo. Windows Phone was just a choice no one really wanted to make – just the lesser of two necessary evils.
As I see it, this is good news for the N9 because there will be an ecosystem for it. What end users will love will be mostly Qt and Qt will have a great future in Nokia. (I hope eventually with WP8 and W8 we will then see the cycle complete of Qt ecosystem – that’s less certain but what some ‘analysts’ and more knowledgeable guys have discussed.)
What good is Qt if it runs on a crippled/limited OS?
Since when is the lipstick more important than the face?
That’s as we see S40 now, not what it could grow to be.
Lipstick seemed to do a lot for iOS. No problem with iPhone 1 being a feature phone. Making usability core and easier for the end user engages your user base with your products.
How’s that a different argument from keeping Symbian?
The only coup I can see is if Elop gets Qt on WP7. Who knows, maybe he’ll pull that out of his hat, but that probably should have been done in February.
You ain’t going to attract developers if there isn’t an easy an consistent way to develop for your platform and access services.
And Qt has a history of being on most Windows platforms, even Mobile. Getting Qt on Windows has to be the easier task than building Symbian or S40
Because for some reason it was taking much,much longer to make key changes in Symbian code than with S40.
I would have dearly loved Nokia to stay and improve Symbian but it has limitations in its growth potential.
I agree with you too also on Qt or WP7. I still don’t really understand the exact technical issues but Qt for all is where I’d like everything to go. Maybe for WP8/W8?
That’s what frustrates me so much. I don’t hate MS or Windows (WinMo was pretty good for its day), I rather enjoy Windows 7, but I freely enjoy OpenSource software too.
The one thing I hate about Apple is a closed ecosystem, and as much as the MS haters don’t want to admit, MS with Windows has historically been pretty open on what you could do with their platform, whether it was desktop or mobile.
This changed with WP, they’re trying to out Apple, Apple.
MS ain’t going to win the battle if they try to play Apple’s game. They should stick to why Windows became so popular, it didn’t have (many) artificial limits, just some technical ones…
Elop sold out to MS solely on the fact that he didn’t guarantee Qt a place on WP. F the Meego crap, the Symbian arguments, etc.
Who knows what his plans are at this point, but if he wanted Qt on WP, then why not say it? He has no qualms about telling everyone he’s killing off the only Smartphone platforms he has NOW and going with a platform that has single digit marketshare in its native territory and barely a blip everywhere else… and this is MONTHS before a device using that savior OS is even ready.
Sigh… if he isn’t a Trojan then he’s certainly a moron. It will take years to rebuild a company torn asunder in a few months.
And no one make the “well it took Apple and Google just a few years to become successful” err, buzz, wrong. Remember, its an ECOSYSTEM. Apple and Google had their ecosystem built years before they went into their mobile game. Apple with iTunes, iPod, and the STORE (and sure Mac), and Google with… well their services that a bunch of people use
Last time I checked, Nokia’s services weren’t doing so well either.
Sure, maybe it will come back stronger, but its just as likely that it will collapse.
I don’t know if anyone at MNB has ever worked at a dying/reorganizing company… but it ain’t pretty and I wouldn’t be so hopeful for anything substantial.
“They should stick to why Windows became so popular, it didn’t have (many) artificial limits, just some technical ones…”
Yeah the locking and following the bad things Apple was doing did confuse me. Seems they’re trying the approach to cater for the very simplest user.
I wish though that they were less restrictive. I hope the reason they’re doing it is to leave features out until it gets it right, not because that’s what Apple did. So far it seems that’s what they’re doing with Mango.
“I don’t know if anyone at MNB has ever worked at a dying/reorganizing company… but it ain’t pretty and I wouldn’t be so hopeful for anything substantial.”
Lol In future I hope to work for the NHS. Hopefully the Tories won’t wreck it.
Its easier to built a new image than repair a broken one. Thats why symbian had to go.
There is not a chance in hell for Qt in wp. Besides, that won’t cover the low end.
I believe nokia are working on a new os.
I kind of expected the comparison to iOS, and “eye candy” being successful (and I thought about it myself).
Would *you* be happy with an iPhone1, only because it sold a lot?
http://www.mobileinfoplanet.com/blog/blog1.php/dumb-smartphone-or-smart-dumbphone
S40 will probably evolve some but it’s very unlikely it will ever become a full fledged, high-end OS (i.e. Maemo/MeeGo).
What it boils down to is how you think Qt should be used: simply to sell a lot in the form of S40 or to run on top of the most powerful OS? Because what I am seeing is excitement over volumes but no concern over what that powerful OS will be (and no, it’s not WP7) now that MeeGo isn’t going anywhere.
If one would make a choice between Nokia and Meego – I choose Meego, and if it’s the last Meego compatible device from Nokia – well, ciao Nokia
But hopefully someone will gain sanity inside Nokia, and will kick out Elop soon enough.
“[..]the open-source nuts should probably quit criticising other “closed” ecosystems so much.[...]”
Sorry, but it seems that you didn’t get the point.
Most people don’t complain about opensource or not. They mean “closed” in term of not being able to install whatever they want without using the ecosystems appstore for example.
Seems that you don’t get my point…. I wasn’t referring to restrictive ecosystems, I was referring to Open Source nuts hammering Nokia for not sticking with Intel.
Which nuts? Any reference to such articles? Maemo was fine. Harmattan is fine. A closed UI is not ideal but fine. Look at the ecosystem around the N900, very small but compared to how much was invested into it quite amazing.
And, it certainly did not come as a surprise that the N9 is not a “MeeGo proper” phone. It’s fine to point it out, but you make it sound like you’ve just solved the Kennedy assasination. Yes, it’s pretty much Maemo Harmattin.
Still more drool worthy (using Elops words) than any WP7 announcement has been.
Oh you just need to check the comments sections of any MeeGo-related post here to see just that.
Did I mention Windows Phone at all in my post? Microsoft ever? Nope… why do they matter here?
We’re talking about Qt and why Harmattan itself may/will be irrelevant in the future. The N9 UI is good. The HW is gorgeous but again, irrelevant to the post at hand
Future thinking here: but could this UI end up on Symbian through QT ?
It won’t be on Symbian, Symbian is now an Accenture asset. Will it be on other platforms…. maybe
. Those rumblings might have some relevance
It’s already in Symbian to stay. Symbian Belle (aka Symbian^4) was always meant to be a pure Qt OS.
Only did you know how difficult it was to change Symbian?
Did you know Nokia has been trying to change the font but couldn’t do it because it was so hard to code? Not the hack that Symbian users have been doing a while, that’s different.
PS, it’s so hard, Nokia has already stated belle won’t be fully Qt
The problem is of course backwards compatibility.
Another option is (or would have been) to do a clean slate Symbian, where Symbian is just a basic OS providing hardware access, UI is Qt/QML and there is no backwards compatibility with any of Series-XX nonsense.
Then again if that’s all you’re after, there are other OS’es that can be used that may be easier to strip. S40 perhaps.
And that’s happening, the S40 getting Qt no?
*skips along having proved point*
Its a shame we cant format our Symbian 3^ devices and install “Harmattan”
I would be first in line. After ninja of course :p
cool idea, if it could be done..
its not an accenture asset its still owned by Nokia just the work is it outsourced to them, If Nokia says we want this UI on Symbian then accenture will do it no ifs or buts, Nokia are the Boss, they are working for Nokia.
If Nokia says we are brining symbian back inhouse there’s nothing they can do once whatever contract obligations have been met.
Nokia won’t do much with Symbian outside of maintenance post 2013, it was pretty much an asset dump IMO. Both in terms of personnel and overhead but if you’re looking at it from that standpoint then yea, Nokia still “own” Symbian, they just don’t do anything with it.
Just the Header and I knew this must be an Andrew post.
Whats wrong with you? Jay this gets annoying.
Do you know how to, or bothered to read anything but the header??
I’d like to ask you whether you read the post.
Come on give Andre a chance, he is making a valid point here, Qt is way more important than what the N9 is.
Elop has already stated Qt will live on
QT is not an OS. I dont want an S40 Device as my future smartphone.
Meego is the most powerfull OS since Meamo and you state that S40 get QT so its fine? Stop joking around.
I didnt say Qt was an OS, I am saying if the most important aspects of the N9 are built using Qt who needs MeeGo,
S40 is a great OS it hasn’t been stretched to do anything more than power feature phones, which are clearly catching up with smartphones in terms of features and capabilities.
Exactly. Qt is not an OS. It is agnostic to the success of the OS really, just that the OS supports Qt.
MeeGo maybe powerful but where are the manufacturers making these millions of MeeGo devices? Even Nokia could not release full MeeGo handset.
Have you seen Intel’s piece of shit tablet?
Qt on S40 would give s40 at least some future. S40 has been able to grow at a much faster pace than Symbian.
As I asked above:
What good is Qt if it runs on a crippled/limited OS?
Since when is the lipstick more important than the face?
Would you rather have a feature phone with Qt or a full blown, desktop OS with no Qt?
To be fair we have never seen S40 get stretched to do something more powerful than it currently does.
S40 is not crippled or limited even if it is its artificial and not natural.
I want a smartphone phone OS with Qt, the matter of S40 stepping up to smartphone territory intrigues me.
i honestly dont know if it could work but as a concept it sounds exciting
I don’t think Qt can be integrated into s40. I feel nokia is working on a new os from scratch with Qt at the core.
did Bill gates write this for you
I want to tell you a great many things, but I’ve realized that chewing out an idiot won’t change much in the long run.
This has NOTHING ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with WINDOWS F***ing Phone k?
+100000
Maybe so but we know whats going on in the back of your mind, when you write this stuff.
I’ve come to the conclusion you like writing controversial “pro Windows” and ” Ant Synbian & MeeGo” articles b/c they are high traffic generators.
I have understood that they don’t really care for traffic. They seem to do this because they like Nokia, and want to show their support, share their opinions and help us shape ours. They clearly aren’t blind fanboys, who just go OMG Nokia published something extra shiny (with a walking-dead-OS) GIMME GIMME GIMME!!1!
And please, at least learn to spellcheck the name of the OS you love so much (“Synbian”), in addition to the rest of your text.
Lemme ask you a quick question, do you think that any order of magnitude of traffic change will alter my income or financial situation?
Hint: It doesn’t.
I write what I honestly think or feel and put it in the most straightforward fashion possible to avoid….. ambiguity.
PS. Pro-Symbian, Maemo, MeeGo and anti-MS articles generate more traffic
Well I’m glad you’re well off. You’re being dishonest though, when you say that this post has nothing to do with Microsoft or Windows Phone.
Does Meego matter? Well, it matters if Windows Phone does not live up to expectations. If matters if all these proprietary operating systems (like Win Phone and iOS) are not open in the future. Imagine if Microsoft took X% of all revenue for applications sold on the desktop. That’s the direction we’re heading.
Now, you might not agree that proprietary OSs are sub ideal, but that does not mean that failing to mention Microsoft means that Microsoft is not related.
+infinity
Windows F*CKING Phone or Windows regular Phone?
Is it me or has Qt not been as successful on as much as Nokia would have wanted, I mean yes there are nice apps in the App store, but most of them are from individuals rather than mainstream app developers and Qt on current devices breaks so much its not even funny.
I love the idea of Qt and love the concept of MeeGo living in Qt but it needs to be fixed first. I cant even download Qt apps on to my N8 anymore
I had an issue with Qt install fail but fixed it today just by uninstalling that stupid smartinstaller.
All Qt loveliness back on my N8
I have tried uninstalling smartinstaller as well but the problem is still not sovled its driving me absolutely crazy. There are quite a few Qt apps I want to try and can’t
Have you uninstalled the betalabs Qt apps? Also try uninstalling these too.
ooohhh no will try that, thanks
oh yeah after doing that, download something with Qt afterwards. e.g. CNN app.
Fingers crossed that works for you. Put off fixing Qt install myself as the methods provided to me seemed to convoluted.
I was put off a lot of solutions on the internet too, gave up and was hoping that it would fix itself, will try your solution now though
lol I was hoping I would get the symbian update (anna) and it would fix itself too
Oh well, managed to get mine working. Tree Maker finally ha.
More accurate is that “Symbian on Qt” has not been as succesfull, not helped by the turmoil and uncertainty and whatever else that makes Nokia put out garbage like their social app and the slow Symbian updates.
Qt as a toolkit is excellent, has been for many years and on many platforms.
Perhaps more importantly, you’ve been unable to put Qt 4.7 apps on Ovi Store until after Feb 11, at which point a very large part of potential developers (myself included) probably thought “WTF” and put things on hold.
The UI might be proprietary, and the apps running on top, but the frameworks that support them are Free Software — and those frameworks consist of substantially more code and greater investment from Nokia than Elop would have you believe.
Examples of this are the telepathy framework, gstreamer, and tracker, to name but a few (telepathy is the messaging framework, gstreamer handles media, tracker is a meta data indexing and storage system, there are many other such frameworks that are included in Maemo/Harmattan/Meego). These represent significant investments from Nokia — and are not part of Qt. They also represent a significant part of the user experience (the well integrated messaging/contacts framework is provided by telepathy and other upstream components for instance). They are also not particularly portable to Series 40. Or, I would imagine, Windows Phone.
The main difference between Meego/Harmattan and pure Meego is the packaging format; Harmattan is actually pretty Open/Free with some proprietary/closed applications.
None of what I have said above necessarily changes your argument about the N9′s ecosystem though.
What is interesting though, is that there is a team at Nokia who helped build the most significant components as Meego/Harmattan who are likely more loyal to their project than they are to Nokia, whose project, from the sound of their blogs, is likely to be terminated by Nokia.
This team represent a significant portion of Nokia’s competitive advantage within this Qt/Meego ecosystem — and now that Nokia are no longer interested in them, they are likely to go somewhere else.
That somewhere else has probably seen the best entry these people could have on their CVs: the N9.
There will be plenty of companies looking at Meego, Qt and the N9 thinking: “we could make one of those”. Especially if we could quickly get hold of a team of experts who helped make that one…
I know Qt is free and open source for a non-commercial license. I know AND mentioned
“Given that Harmattan is, more or less proprietary with the use of upstream components, the open-source nuts should probably quit criticising other “closed” ecosystems so much.”
I know what the different components are, in particular telepathy makes me giggle and it’s nice to see it getting proper use now. But they’re not….irreplaceable or substitutable.
I personally hope Nokia keep the talent that helped push the N9 out, by hook or crook.
PS. Thanks for a great & informative comment
Qt is also free for comercial aplications but if you edit Qt source you need to share it!
Thanks for an informative blog
The point I was trying to get across, is that a great deal of the user experience on the N9 comes from these underlying frameworks- the proprietary applications are in some cases just a thin UI skin over the top of them. These frameworks will not be portable to series 40 (good though it is) or Windows Phone, as they take advantage of the underlying libraries and kernel provided by Linux- unless you reproduce these services, at which point you are basically talking about producing a whole new operating system. And there is already a perfectly good one called Meego.
The main differentiater the N9 has that Nokia can reuse and protect is the swipe gesture, the other parts of the user experience will be much harder to port series 40 or Windows phone (the applications will be easy though). How different in that respect is it from pinch to zoom though? That has become ubiquitous…
On top of this: the amount of time it seems that MS is taking to port Windows Phone to other platforms/architectures (dual core anyone?) implies this is either not straight forward or not important to MS. Either way this implies increased effort for Nokia. This porting to different hardware is one of the areas of Linux’s (and therefore Meego’s) great strengths. If it has a microprocessor, then someone (most likely the manufacturer) will have already ported Linux to it (the bloke with the desk next to me has just brought up a complete Meego IVI system including GUI and 4 different automotive network systems in a handful of months. On his own. This is on our chips, and writing/porting the drivers for the various components).
So anyone will have an easier time reproducing the N9 user experience on top of Meego than anywhere else, including Nokia’s competitors; who, if they have Android on their handsets will also be running Meego in the lab (it actually makes sense to do this to assist platform development, even if you never bring a product to market. Meego has the advantage of being a full Linux distribution with all the debug/profile/languages/toolkits/etc. available. Want to run Apache on your phone? It’s only an ‘apt-get install’ or ‘yum install’ away).
Elop has also made a great deal about how they will be making a Qt “ecosystem” rather than a Meego one– but the fact is, it will also be a Meego ecosytem. So even though they are saying they will not adopt Meego due to the lack of some “Meego” ecosystem– they will make one, which their competitors will also be able to take advantage of.
So the N9 is a great advert for what can be done with Meego, there will soon be a large group of experts available who built that phone (and who will want to continue working on Meego) to help someone else build a comparable Meego device, and there will be a developer Eco-system.
There are other compelling reasons for wanting, as a manufacturer, an alternative to Android — you pay Google to get access to the App store, and the core Google apps. The core Google apps are rubbish at integrating with non-Google services. The development process is non-transparent. Google develop the code in secret with a few key partners who get a headstart on everyone else for the next release, so no-one gets to influence the roadmap, and manufacturers certainly can’t plan their own product roadmaps meaningfully as they have no clue what is coming up on the SW platform roadmap. Meego resolves all of those issues as stakeholders can participate in the planning and development and thus roadmap their own products.
There are still pieces of the puzzle missing for Nokia’s competitors who might wish to build Meego devices: they don’t have the carrier billing relationships that Nokia has. They will still need to integrate a mapping service. They will still need to design and build compelling hardware.
So: look out for manufacturers aquiring or developing strategic relationships with mapping providers (TomTom, or even Openstreetmap), look for initiatives towards building global market places from either carriers or manufacturers or consortiums combining the two (or for more activity on Arm in Intels AppUpp) — see this happening and you might be seeing the seeds of the “third ecosystem”. Just a different “third ecosystem” from the one that Nokia are apparently planning.
Conclusion: Meego on mobile handset DOES matter — just not in the way that people think (or indeed to whom).
Bother. I changed my Name from hewbass to Matthew in the reply above (just mentioning to avoid confusion).
Elop as simply understood as stupid was the WP7 choice and is coming back to the old good strategy based on Qt. He as just changed MeeGo with S40, nothing more
But good that he has realised it, better later then never
His strategy has not changed and to the best of my knowledge, the restructuring that occurred earlier this year were to facilitate just this.
No? How do you explain 10 new symbian phone this year? Symbian support until AT LEAST 2016?
Believe me, WP7 will be just a demonstration of the Symbian goodness
Let’s see!
10 devices due to contractual obligations/ plans already in motion wherein simply sinking costs would be stupid and detrimental to Nokia’s bottom line?
“No? How do you explain 10 new symbian phone this year? Symbian support until AT LEAST 2016?”
There are 10 Symbian phones over the next 12 months, not this year.
You’re clearly one of the idiots who decided to listen to tabloids and extremely well-informed tech websites like Engadget which would explain your surprise at these announcements.
No deadline was given for Symbian. The worst case scenario at the time was that they would drop support in 2013, 24 months from the E7′s release but we also knew that there were already S^3 devices close to being released with leaks already having come out. Also, the length of the development process meant that there were Symbian devices in development which were so far along their development process that dropping them or changing them to WP7 devices wasn’t financially viable. As we know now, there were 10 devices that were at that stage of no return. The other thing that we knew was that Nokia’s first WP7 device would be released, at the earliest, in Q3 and we know now its going to be Q4. WP7 devices were never going to get down to Symbian price points until 2H 2012 at the earliest and until that time, Symbian devices would definitely be needed. They also couldn’t develop and produce enough WP7 devices by 1H 2012 which would leave them fairly uncompetitive and leave a huge gap for Samsung to easily take.
There has been no change at all. The problem was a lack of communication and a proper announcement which lead to people assuming things with some even saying the E7 was the last Symbian device. The was a continuing assault of assumptions from various people which lead to others using it as their source which lead to people, such as yourself, getting the wrong opinion. Next, just read this blogsite for Nokia news. Unlike others, they actually know whats going on.
“You’re clearly one of the idiots who decided to listen to tabloids and extremely well-informed tech websites like Engadget which would explain your surprise at these announcements.”
Unfortunately, that is the message that was received by the world at large, including by the carriers.
Hence the May 31st announcement of sales far worse than expected (you tell people of jump from a burning platform, and those fool do just that), and for the first time since at least a decade, the handset division is likely to post a loss, and Nokia isn’t able to provide a guidance for upcoming sales, shows how on top of the situation Elop is.
But it’s all good, WP7 comes to save Nokia with its ecosystem ecosystem ecosystem.
Sorry but I’m not so intimate with Elop to ask directly to him what’s in his mind! the facts are that when he communicated his strategy on 11 february Nokia collapsed because not me, but the entire world has understood the same thing.
Who is the idiot here?
If he wasn’t so stupid now Nokia wouldn’t be where it is now and don’t need supporters like you to try to recover his mistakes insulting people that cares for Nokia more then him or you
I would have to agree with Andre here it seems he has done some tweaks to his strategy concerning Qt and S40. He is betting a lot more on S40 than previously.
It will be interesting how much S40 will change in the future
I think Elop mentioned ages ago something about supercharging S40. It’s only just now things are making sense with little bits more info leaking out.
Funny how they think because Nokia will use WP7, WP7 will be 2nd to Android by 2015. :/
Who’s they? I wouldn’t put so much into what these Analysts say. They also said Symbian would be number one for a few more years (despite already being taken over before Feb 11)
Yeah but alot of websites follow it aswell :S
WP7 is just wrong >.< Harmattan is great and I will be getting the N9 even if I receive no updates whatsoever
Everyone will just look past WP7, it offers nothing exceptional. Its just bog standard. :/
Sorry, I don’t completely follow your train of thought. What does ‘a lot of websites follow it aswell’ mean?. Sorry, just trying to clear up my misunderstanding (feeling a little dizzy from unpacking :p)
I’m glad you’ve tried out both MeeGo Phone and the final build of Mango to make these comments. I think MeeGo is great, but I don’t think folks are giving Windows Phone the chance it deserves. Just like the same people hated the Symbian haters for hating on Symbian without possibly trying it for extended period, or at least appreciating that there will be people who like it.
Independent reviews of Windows Phone is positive. +VE. Good. Michael Oryl from Android Authority gives it a thumbs up. It doesn’t appeal to Symbian-feature packed fans, Ive mentioned this before.
These seems to be an instant reaction that their Windows Experience on PC (if it was bad) somehow translates into Windows Phone.
I dunno, I’ve had oddly then a positive experience windows Phone. I’m a Maemo 5 and Symbian (all generation) user.
Sorry I quite confused anyway :S
I have read the same thing with many websites, most of them saying they can’t wait for the Nokia WP7 device. I found this quite weird that not the same amount of hype was around other devices which is why I said WP7 can’t be saved by just Nokia. (if that makes sense :S)
And yes I have read a couple of reviews of Mango, all of them think its great. But between most of the people I know, they all find it boring. (Yes they have used it >.<) I liked it at first but after playing around with it for a while I just felt it was lacking excitement. :/
I actually prefer Windows Mobile 6.5 to WP7. I'm not saying WP7 is bad, I quite like it (at points) but I don't think people would choose it over Android or iOS.
It was just a personal rant really :/, the first WP7 videos I saw did not have the same impact on emotions as Harmattan ones did.
I mean with a few changes to WP7 I would say it has a chance over Android, but at the moment I don't think it does.
I guess the new things always steals the spotlight.
I share your views on the tiles and menu and multitasking. It’s practical but it’s not as good as it could be.
Simply allowing a background and semi transparent tiles makes a big change.
Having Harmattan icon grid is preferable to ME (though I can understand why some would like the liniear alphabetical list).
I don’t know the feasibility but SWIPE UI at least just to take over the homescreen/menu of WP7 would be welcome to me. I hate the linear multitasking style of WebOS/Symbian^3/wp7 as Maemo5 showed me that grid is really fast – and this is echoed in SWIPE.
All in all the whole SWIPE thing is more Windows Phone actually than anything. The whole panoramic movement and swiping to move locations is the core of metro and what is also driving the swipe homescreen (there’s one image that shows the swipe panel as one complete pano).
Glancing on specific WP blogs, there are some folks there who are pretty tight to the whole metro UI and don’t feel it needs changing. Hmm…I get the principles but I can see areas of improvement.
“Simply allowing a background and semi transparent tiles makes a big change.”
^So badly. I was hoping they would add a background option to Mango but they didn’t >.<
WP7 with just a couple of changes would be my favorited OS.
It would also be good if Microsoft didn't lock it down so much :/, It would be nice to see companies add their own touches to the UI and change the transition of things :S
I mean until WP7 gets at least the option of having your own background I'm steering far away :/
+ Mixing the Swipe UI with WP7 would also be amazing I think they should definitely consider that!
But its still only been roughly more than a year since WP7 was released (I think), so they could make it really nice still.
Agree. Early days yet for Windows Phone, though it does not mean the MS crew can pause and relax.
still 400+ Mango features to see. If not, well there’s Apollo (and we’ll start our own petition to get freakin wallpapers :p)
btw there’s a mini solution available by ways of an app that acts as another WP skin. NOT really worth noting other than to demonstrate that with right combination (of non plain background and perhaps slightly translucent tiles) WP can be ore attractive.
Having said that, doesn’t MeeGo SWIPE look great with just black backgrounds :p
Meego Swipe does but thats because its coupled with a bit more colour xD
WP7 just has white/black text with mono-tone coloured
blocks :L
+ Yes we shall haha, I’m pretty sure alot of people would sign that petition.
Since you bring up Apollo, reminds me that Jozef has had amazing UI designs. If those UI designs were part of WP7, coupled with the Mango features, I would definitely consider it being my next OS
+Has anyone passed Jozefs ideas to MS? :S, I remember they once took notice of a fan made advertisement and said they would consider using it as a TV ad. If they actually care about the community they might give his designs a go >.<
We have his Apollo post to publish tomo
That they care for the community is fairly clear, features the community want are being put into the OS. Even USB drive style browsing is reportedly coming.
On other testament to WP not being iOS like closed is the official support for the Chevron jailbreak tool. Best of both worlds if you ask me. Closed fot those that want hassle free use and more open to those that want that.
Interesting discussion. But what happens if the N9 really gets released with Windows Phone 7 and it turns out consumers actually prefer MeeGo (or that QT based UI) over Windows?
From what I have seen so far, the MeeGo UI looks way more attractive to me than those ugly Windows tiles. I do want apps to run on my phone as well and not only on iPhones and Androids, but most of the apps I’m looking for don’t support Windows either.
So the point I’m trying to make is if Nokia has the option to push one of the two (which unless they want to go with Android they need to do anyway), then why not let their customers decide which one to drop and which one to continue?
The consumers may strongly influence but in the end won’t be able to completely change the direction Nokia take.
If the applications don’t currently support Windows Phone and still don’t when you decide to buy your next device then by all means pick up another device.
I’ll say this though, Qt is more important than MeeGo itself. Further, as one of the comments mentioned above, the upstream components that go into making MeeGo what it is are probably just as important as Qt and whether we can see those in the future remains to be seen.
Nokia should start speaking only of the Qt platform (no need to name the OS). Say it clear that 80% at least of their phone will be Qt powered (beeing them based on S40, Symbian or MeeGo is not important) and Nokia will recover.
Agree, Qt is very strong and growing ecosystem. And most importantly, loved by developers.
http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/05/nokias-app-development-strategy-qt-qt-qt-video/ @ around 6:55
Yes, but it’s pre february 11. At that time Symbian too was the platforms for the smartphones, but later…
Andre i don’t understand . yesterday N9 had opensource. http://mynokiablog.com/2011/06/25/openness-of-the-nokia-n9-rooting-just-activate-in-settings/ but today it is not?
That’s root access. You can run whatever you want on it, including open source, unsigned code.
The N9 UI and a portion of the OS are not open source, meaning you can’t download it and put it on a device of your choice.
Thats a good thing. Do we want Nokia’s brilliant UI design on a HTC?
oooh. now i understand why you said it is not open source. thank you. great article.:)
It’s more than just root-access. The bootloader is also unsigned, so you’re free to run different kernels as well. Claiming that the device isn’t open just because the UI isn’t doesn’t really make sense, as you’re free to use whatever UI you want on it, be it Ubuntu, MeeGo, Harmattan or Android.
The device is truly open, and whether the UI in Harmattan is or not doesn’t change that.
This new UI might also be reason why Nokia drop out from Intel work as Intel would might want to Nokia to give out all their UI work to others.
Good thing in this Swipe UI that you can actually use that with any OS currently with out loosing anything. Apps UI layout does limit this swipe UI at all.
I really Hope Nokia could add this Swipe UI to their WP phones and keep it only for Nokia
but i understand Qt is everything and not meego. ” This is the importance of everything that was announced on June 21.
It is all about Qt.
Remember that the Qt Patented UI will live on in future Nokia devices. Think 400M S40 handsets per year suddenly having that MeeGo UI.”
if this is true , i am really happy.i think meego fans should be happy too. all i want is, that UI. i have a question too. does this mean N9 will have support in future? i am really interested to know the answer.
and i think qt support in WP7 will be great. great for us and nokia. this whole hate thing is a mistake. Nokia should have explained this earlier. and thanks for the article.
“all i want is, that UI.”
Aye. What we need is much, much more explanation. There is so much unknown that clouds our perception of the whole situation.
you didn’t understand me?
i am sorry i am not english.
No I understood you and agree with what you said.
Sorry, I may not have explained myself.
What I meant to say was that what folks outside of Nokia know about the whole situation is not that much. If we knew more about the whole story, we could have a better appreciation of the situation. It’s like reading a book with only a few pages and odd chapters. That’s not really enough to understand the story.
A case thing for Nokia – lack of communication about their intent and direction (though I don’t know how much of that conversely is the industry thing though of not spoiling your secret plans).
Meego does not matter(from what elop is saying at least ) ,imho, Meego is a superior OS , i don’t hate or dislike Wp7 ,Symbian ,Android or even iOS ,but between me & myself I think Meego has what it takes to be the best whether it be in features ,looks ,”ecosystem” or overall user experience .
And that’s for a lot of reasons , most of them technical ,what hewbass said for example ,i also don’t think that S40 could ever be meego (an OS is not just the UI or the programming API Qt) ,yes it could have it’s ui and run it’s apps but it won’t be the same you’l know if it comes out .
btw I don’t know what’s the deal with elop first i hated him then a while later i thought i might have been wrong to hate him ,and when the N9 came i loved the guy , and after he said that he’ll drop meego/harmattan EVEN IF IT’S A HIT (that feels just like haters talk) i hated him so much i think i must be locked away when he’s in town ..
any way i’ll buy the N9 and see what will happen after that ..
I think from the original article, commenter have suggested possible misunderstanding due to poor translation?
There is an avenue of hope that Nokia just isn’t ever going back to MeeGo as their high end strategy. But the core aspects of MeeGo that folks loved will live on.
“It has many UX, design and material innovations that we are going to use and expand upon in forthcoming devices. I cannot tell you about them more clearly yet, but you’ll see soon (what I mean).”
http://mynokiablog.com/2011/06/23/nokia-n9-the-last-meego-device/comment-page-1/#comment-108625
There’s also the possibility that they will never finish making Maemo/Harmattan completely Meego compliant, but continue to develop and run with what they have instead.
My feeling is that a viable strategy that they might have been aiming for (but I doubt somewhat now based on Elop’s pronouncements) is bringing up S40 to fill the lower end of what used to be Symbian (it might be quite possible to produce an iPhone equivalent experience on S40 for instance — if you can just get one background processing running to receive push notifications, or simulate push with SMS), and bringing Meego/Harmattan down to fill the top end of the Symbian gap. Note: 95% of iPhone users don’t even know what multi-taking is, never mind use it in a way they would miss. The 5% that would miss multi-taking would be the ones you target with Meego.
The main problem with Symbian was that it was taking ~2 years to develop handsets. There are companies iterating on Android in around 9 months. This was just making it impossible to keep up on Symbian (the main issue with the development time is not so much the R&D cost — you can recover that if you sell enough handsets, as the duration — by the time the phone comes out, your not just your current product, but your entire roadmap is out of date).
I believe this is also the main reason why they are going for Windows Phone — mostly to replace Symbian in order to be able iterate handsets and features at a fast enough pace to keep up with the competition (this whole “Ecosystem” argument is, I believe a bit of miss-direction, used for justification).
I believe there is also a niche for Meego/Harmattan in the high level handset area, but at the moment I am doubtful that Nokia are going to pursue this (certainly what Elop has said casts doubt on this, and also the way that Nokia are launching the N9 and their WP device — they are definitely not treating them as though they service different market segments, as they are avoiding launching them into the same geographic regions).
I have heard that at one stage (late last year, early this year) it was proving difficult to add features to Meego quickly enough in order to justify it’s use (the main justification for using being that by sharing your development costs with the upstream projects, you can iterate faster and cheaper on the code that matters to YOU), but I am guessing from the N9 development process that that particular issue is resolved (at least for Meego/Harmattan).
My suggestion to Nokia are as follows:
Release windows phones in different form factors. While doing this, work on S40 and integrate Qt with it.
Divide S40 into two price points, one cheap low end and the other high end.
Rename high end S40 into some fancy name and add all the swipe gestures, 3D maps and so forth.
Upon release, this new OS will have massive ecosystem because of Qt.
Interesting comment. I hope something like that works out.
What would you suggest for possible new name of swipe filled S40?
I really don’t know. Something catchy just to remove the S40 lower end identity. As a matter of fact, nokia needs to do this without letting people know the new OS was derived from S40.
Nokia Swipe might work. But I think they can cook up a better name that is catchy
I like the comment…this is part of what i was thinking to write (which i will actually do)…nice
the ‘yemi’ one
pathetic articles trying to justify mr.Flop’s idiotic decisions relating to Meego/N9 or I’d say Nokia in general. Yes Qt is everything but Harmattan on the hand should matter too, as someone mentioned Qt is not an OS. Since becoming Nokia’s CEO, all Elop has done is damage whatever was left and run his lousy uncontrollable mouth.
And oh Andre again, by just reading the “Title” I knew it was you.
This website is getting worst day by day with all the MSFT/WP7 supporting articles. I can’t even imagine how Andre or Jay end up adoring this blocky tiled OS. It just boggles my mind, cause Maemo and Symbian was all customization, appearance and this WP7 just feels bland. I’ve tried to like WP7 but I just can’t stand that interface, it’s a big big MEHhhHHHH!! Yes it’s fast n what not but that unique interface is not appealing at all.
Anyway I need to find some other sources for symbian/meego related news. This “mynokiablog” is becoming mywindowsblog.
Funny you should say that Andre wasnt talking about Windows Phone.
Elop had to make a decision and run with it we dont know even half of the story that led to the decision of adopting Windows Phone.
This blog is called M-Y-N-O-K-I-A-B-L-O-G it includes everything about Nokia and from the 11the February 2011 WINDOWS PHONE 7.
If you dont like windows phone great your opinion, but one thing is for certain IT IS UNIQUE
ok, include WP reviews but please no stupid “analysis”!!!!!
Where are WP apps, review of WP devices and so on, there’s only stupid “analysis” from Andre’s part every time.
Why can’t Andre post the manuals to WP, describe some hidden features of WP, etc. I suppose because he’s very bad at this point!!!!!!
Analysis, detail-oriented tasks and information gathering are my strengths and that’s outside of the blogosphere…..If you wanted Windows Phone app reviews and features (which the majority do not want) based on reader feedback then I’d certainly not have a problem with it.
PS. Click on my author profile and scroll through the posts I’ve done.. I have done at least one review (which wasn’t bad IMO) and services summaries.
Andre, the majority don’t want your analysis which lacks logic cause you are the greatest WP fan on the planet
and why not to post WP apps reviews, those you find useful or unique (WP only), to let people know about what to expect from your favorite OS.
Please go hang yourself somewhere and increase the GDP of your country a little.
Wah?
Posting WP app reviews? That’s a good idea.
I’ve really wanted to do that but only once there was some Nokia hardware.
Maybe I will after writing up my Omnia 7 review as there are lots of great quality apps I’ve come across.
Thanks for your feedback. Hopefully our readers will not mind seeing non-Nokia hardware being demoed for apps. I think to review and introduce to WP is a good idea. I wasn’t sure it was going to be right without Nokia hardware but I think it’s important to spread information about it and let you guys decide whether these features are really good enough (though note, much more comes with the Mango update). Thanks again.
he’s not bad at this point. It’s just there’s none so far that’ll make all current Nokia users go WOW! I never used that or something like this. WP7 is MSFT’s steaming pile of shit which will eventually get Nokia to be flushed right into the gutter. They’re heading there anyway
It’s unique in a boring way. And Elop made a crappy decision by dumping Meego, now alot of software engineers who worked on Meego are coming out saying he lied about that “Oh Shit” moment.
“Elop had to make a decision and run with it we dont know even half of the story that led to the decision of adopting Windows Phone.”
Since that fateful Friday of February, what I do know :
- Market cap almost cut in half
- Debt rating one step above junk
- Credit rating down the toilet
- For the first time in over a decade, the handset division may not make a profit ($4 billion yearly in 2009 and 2010)
- Nokia is so disrupted and in disarray that they aren’t even able to provide guidance on quarterly sales, let alone a yearly vision.
Way to go Mr “I’m Not A Trojan Horse”! When WP7 Q2 result will appear, the infamous Icy Waters will probably get colder…
And accordingly to his fanboys the stupids are us that don’t understand him!
Elop has so far for me made inteligent descisions but has poor communication skills. The switch to wp was a good descision.
Nokia are developing a new os, a 21st century symbian. thats what the ui on the n9 is about.
“This “mynokiablog” is becoming mywindowsblog.”
Darn, all these Nokia N9 posts, is so windows. I mean, of course we shouldn’t be talking about Windows Phone, I mean you know, it’s not like Nokia partnered with Microsoft to produce Windows Phone devices. It’s not like there are several prototype of Windows Phone one of which was shown today.
You’re free to have your opinion of Windows Phone. Fortunately, reviewers on independent, popular tech blogs are giving Mango good reviews. I don’t know why as a Maemo 5 and Symbian user, I’ve gotten along with Windows Phone. Perhaps I’ve just enjoyed it’s total reliability and usability and the things I’m missing are coming in Mango? I’m just missing the Nokia hardware – an actual decent camera, improved reception.
“Anyway I need to find some other sources for symbian/meego related news. This “mynokiablog” is becoming mywindowsblog.”
I’m always sorry our content is not to your exacting standards. I wish I could have a penny each time someone used the whole “oh ur not mynokiablog you are my_____blog” to critique us when in fact, reporting on everything Nokia related is what we should be doing.
There didn’t seem to be any problem when we had 50 posts on the N9 in one week. no. We post what we see is happening that’s related to Nokia. Being a Nokia blog and all. Folks chattering about N9? Yes we celebrated it? (if we had a WP-only agenda, we wouldn’t talk about MeeGo so much, but no I like to because I like MeeGo) Leaks on the nokia windows phone? We talked about it? Blogs discussing future of MeeGo -what MeeGo means and what Qt for S40 could deliver at Nokia – here it’s being talked about too.
I’m sorry we can’t ignore the fact Nokia is going to make Windows Phone handsets. I’m sorry that as a Nokia fan, I’ve given WP a chance and liked it.
I always thought that Qt is more important to Nokia than OS beneath. That’s one reason why Nokias switch to wp was such a big shock to me. Cos it was sure that we won’t se Qt on MS’s platform. Another being WP’s consumer lock-in mentality that didn’t seem to fit with Nokia.
On another hand i saw Meego/Maemo as such high end OS, being full Linux, that it would stay on top and Symbian/Android or other “not so proper computer OS” beneath it but on top of S40. I also thought that Nokia dropping Meego/Maemo would mean that they are dropping Qt. In reality Nokia dropping Meego does not even mean that they dont maintain Linux based OS, just that the API compatibility with Meego is gone.
and oh your point of Qt is all matters is invalid when in fact underneath that Harmattan’s pretty UI is all Maemo/Meego cross architecture. So to support the OS itself is as much crucial as putting Qt into the “next billion”
Andre got paid another 15 american dollars. Andre is happpy
… but Andre wants more dollars from Satanic Evil Empire Microsoft.
One thing is clear for everybody – WP has been on the market and it’s proved itself to be a total failure. No one wants a bad clone of iOS that’s why nobody buys it. When the first expensive Nokia’s WP is ready, I think the price would be on a par with Apple’s iPhone, Huawei will present Android 1.4Ghz device at 300 dollars. People will buy either iPhone or Android. Those who put up with various kinds of restrictions (WP is full of them) buy iPhone others buy Android offered in all price range from cheap to expensive. While N9 is something different, it combines perfect UI and openness of Android.
And why should anyone be bothered reading Andre’s posts when we all know what it’s all about once again.
Sad, your trolls no longer have comedic value. You need new material Jim… At least Coderror for all his faults is at least remotely amusing.
Coderror is your biggest fan, we all know it.
No comedic value at all
I am disappointed
http://th05.deviantart.net/fs50/300W/f/2009/266/2/8/I_am_disappoint_by_Misterstix66.png
comedian value… hmm it’s about your analysis
So, bad sales = bad OS?
Regardless of the factors, what about WebOS and Maemo 5?
WP can attract only iOS users. so it’s to compete with iOS which a light years ahead!
and who cares about WebOS here?! name him plz, is it Andre again
As for Meamo 5….. we had only one device with it onboard that Nokia positioned as a computer, ie. not for everybody use, then, as you know, there was an agreement with Intel to abandon Maemo in favour of MeeGo. I don’t think this decision could ever attracted attention of new customers, not geeks.
I think there’s still a lot of new smartphone users out there new to the smartphone world.
Why are you putting WebOS down? It was a good OS with great UI that didn’t get any traction. Maemo was a great OS with good UI that didn’t get any traction. Excuses aside as to why, if we look at their initial sales bluntly and equate that to bad OS, then that’s wrong.
iOS when first out was heralded as awful. It didn’t do apps, it hardly did anything. But it sold. Huuge marketing push by the darling tech company made everyone want it (and slowly but surely, improved and got stronger).
“So, bad sales = bad OS?”
For Nokia (or any other company), yes. Isn’t the whole point selling phones? I thought Symbian was a bad OS and ditched because it wouldn’t attract customers. And WP7 was adopted because it would supposed to sell phones better than Symbian.
WP7 is like a cheap poor copy of iOS that people only buy if they somehow can’t get the real thing. The problem for WP7 is that people can get the real thing. I don’t see why most people would take WP7 phone over iPhone. And they haven’t when you look at the abysmal sales that WP7 has.
MeeGo would be so much better option for Nokia. It’s different, unique and offers you a lot more than just being a poor copy of iPhone. N9 has gotten praise from practically everyone, even from Engadget. If you can make even iFanatics wanting N9, then you’ve got a winner in your hands.
Unfortunately Nokia has a CEO that’s either an idiot or MS “trojan horse”. Seeing what he has done and said so far, narrows it to one of those two options. I’m tilting towards the trojan option. Idiot’s at least get things right sometimes by luck. Undermining N9 and MeeGo right after it’s shown, adored and wanted, saying they’re not going to make other MeeGo devices, is too calculated move for an idiot to make.
It’s so obvious that MeeGo is a huge threat to MS/WP7 and MS just can’t have that. Ask yourself this, would you rather buy a MeeGo or a WP7 phone if the hardware and price was identical? Yes, I’d take MeeGo too. It’s not even a choice, MeeGo is so much better option (better UI, better UX, better OS) and will be after Mango too. That’s why MS has to get rid of MeeGo.
You are all saying that qt will live on with s40. do you realize why. S40 sells?
price. qt requires bit more hardware that is going to raise the ptice. they might as well use the current s^3 hardware.
do you all honestly beleive that we will have the same experience from an inexpensive handset?
iphone 1 may have been accused of being a feature phone but it wasn’t inexpensive as an s40.
S40 touch and type began at about £150GBP here (now 100-130). Though cheaper than most smartphones, it’s not a throw away.
PLUS S40 will not be as we know it.
I like it, but it does not matter no, it’s a dead OS, like Symbian.
Nokia should just concentrate on WP7 and S40.
Stephen Elopin an interview on Thursday, Helsingin Sanomat According to him, on Tuesday announced the N9-phone inventions will be utilized in a number of new phones.
“I can well understand that investors want to see the results of a new strategy to its full glory. It will take some time, but when we are able to present the results of our strategy, I’m sure the reduction of uncertainty,” Elop said.
Market research firm Gartner analyst Carolina Milanesi, warmly welcomes the N9- phone which is Nokia’s first and last MeeGo operating system utilizing a telephone. “If I feel just the phone, the message is clear: Nokia is back to the game,” Milanesi said in Helsingin Sanomat on Wednesday.
Goldman Sachs analyst Tim Boddy questioned at the beginning of June, wrote the report that Nokia’s market share in fast contraction jeopardize the company ’s economies of scale, particularly the distribution of products. This in turn may hamper the strengthening of market position in the software company Microsoft’s Windows operating system-using phones.
Elop does not want to comment on the allegation, but stresses the belief in a fully Windows- based phones to success. “I have been watching the discussions with the telecom operators and consumers participated in the test groups. Feedback has been very positive and I am sure that Windows will be a success,” Elop said.
Thanks for the find.
Fear of uncertainty is what is about now.
I thing Nokia wants to release new s40 smartphones in 2012 by integrating it with Qt to surge their revenue.
The prices might be like this in 2012:
S60v3.2 will be available for users under $100
S^3 phones for $250-350.
WP7 phones for $450-650
S40 phones (cheapest) for $25.
S40 touch phone for $100.
S40 dual core touch for $200.