N9 only MeeGo device THIS Year. Echoes of the N9 and the “Nokia stamp” coming up in future Nokia Windows products? Swipe?
Ingrid Lunden (@ingridlunden) who writes on Moconews.net had some time with the Nokia N9.
N9 reactions
You can check out her very positive reaction here: http://moconews.net/article/419-a-first-look-at-the-nokia-n9-this-is-not-a-dead-end/ Ingrid is also an iPhone user, one of many who are enjoying the prospect of Nokia’s MeeGo-Harmattan N9 (http://mynokiablog.com/2011/06/27/nokia-n9-a-hit-with-apple-fans/)
Flash on N9
Ingrid asked twitterfolks if we had any questions – I asked about Flash support (which Nokia Conversations said no, though alternative 3rd party browsers could do it). It seems that whilst it might not ship out of the box, even the default browser might eventually get it.
“…Mark Squires, a spokesperson for Nokia, noted that it [FLASH] was likely, given the support on other Linux platforms and Nokia’s support of Flash in its Symbian devices.”
The part of the article that’s most significant for me today discusses the N9′s future.
Essences of N9 in Windows Phone products
It appears that early Nokia products with Windows Phone will be the more standard Mango affair. This is due to Nokia MS partnership being likened to “jumping on a moving bus”. Thus early products are based on that. Ingrid suggests we note the presence of navigation keys (or at least touch versions).
This bit could be big.
“However, as we move forward, you will see more of that ‘Nokia stamp’ [as I called it] in those future devices. People right now can only see pieces of the puzzle, they can’t see the whole picture.” – Mark Squires
This is Nokia differentiating in Windows Phone. Ingrid feels that, “we will likely see echoes of the N9 and the “Nokia stamp” coming up in future Windows products.” Well, echoes of the N9 are definitely coming to Nokia’s Windows Phone as code Sea-Ray has the same appearance as the N9 except for an additional camera button.
The Nokia Stamp
What do you consider to be the Nokia Stamp? Hardware stuff? What software features? Will it be things such as Nokia Maps? What about the Nokia Stamp of Swipe?
The pieces of the puzzle metaphor is also important. We see only parts of what Nokia’s doing and our judgement of them is based on that. We don’t know the whole picture, despite that we think the outcome will be. (Think M. Night Shyamalan style twists. Actually no, ignore that. That would be terrible)
Not the last MeeGo?
Another thing that’s big if we interpret it in an optimistic light. Ingrid writes that Mark emphasised that the N9 “is the only Meego device this year.” suggesting perhaps future MeeGo DEVICES.
Source: moconews.net via @IngridLunden
Category: MeeGo, Nokia, Nseries, Windows Phone
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What I read is that:
The first WP7 devices made by compal will be crap and not of the Nokia standard. So that will be create a negative first impression if you ask me. This is a side effect of having to rush because Elop set fire to his own platform.
Future WP7 devices will have the excellent hardware we have come to expect from Nokia.
About Meego, please, please, please just release one a year. The N9 is the best phone I have seen and it really does not matter about the apps or ecosystems. With hardware like this there is still a battle of devices, there is only a war of ecosystems when all the handsets are the same badly made black rectangles.
I think the first Wp7 device will not be as good as a standard Nokia device because they are literally rushing to get their first device out.
I think we should expect good standard Wp7 devices from Nokia next year.
And hopefully they will continue with MeeGo as it is too interesting to let go
Yes, from what I hear, first Nokia Winpho will be mass market and future nokia winpho will be very high end.
I also agree on the one-meego-a-year thing.
good suggestion and a better idea one Meego by year it´s means that we have to sell our meego every year jejejeje, but is a good point of view one phone by year.
Wouldn’t Nokia want the first WP to be amazing so people will have confidence in them again?
True…but do they have the time to create a stunning first WP device? Don´t think so.
Well, if you like the N9 then at least one rumored WP7 phone should be to your liking design-wise, the Sea-Ray. Considering it’s a N9 running WP7 and all.
WP7 doesn’t run on the N9 hardware. WP7 supports only *one* platform, Qualcomm Snapdragon, while the N9 is running on Texas Instruments OMAP. So the SeaRay must be internally very different from the N9.
I don’t want anything that runs on any kind of virtual machine.
Look at Android, people get excited about high processor speeds but the truth is that these high processor speeds indicate poor performance. In other words, you need a powerful processor just to make it run smooth, this translates to cheaper build and components (to stay in a certain price bracket), and poor battery life.
C++ is the only thing any phone should be running.
N9 and iPhone seem more performant and slicker than Android yet with much lower specs.
Ghz is a con, was in the PC days, is now.
I honestly think Elop might be trying to play down the N9′s huge expectations. I mean MeeGo was always promised to be THE thing that will get Nokia going again during the OPK reign.
Anyone that expected the N9 to be this good is is a liar.
I really hope there is another Meego device next yr.i will surely grab N9 instead of WP.
Its Swipe time!!!!
why do you bother if there is a device next year or not? do people buy a smartphone every year ???
i do.
Einstein here, the Fennec(Firefox) browser you can download for the N9, already runs flash and haz tabs.
The thing which I read from this is that this would be the begining and end of Meego based N9.
Sad day for all at Nokia. You just bought your demise a little closer 
The only future enhancements will only be on Windows phones
Management at Nokia has already decided and they will move ON even if it is hit
The worse part about your thinking is nobody at Nokia trying to clarify things.
Instead soon we could see Mr. Elop giving out PR to sabotage the N9.
Hopefully with Swipe on Windows you can also swipe away the ugly tiles. They really don’t look appealing to me at all.
Funny thing is I really like Windows Phone because of the tiles, especially the live tiles from Mango
How do you know if Mango isn’t even there yet?
We’ve had demoes of Mango Tiles.
Mango Tiles are pretty much the same as they are now, at least for the basic functions.
Which means that they are really nothing but oversized icons, like those in iPhone (only shows how many new items etc).
I guess there still might be something yet unseen waiting, but I do not expect much.
Really ??, useless and just oversized icons ??? then you better watch this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mi0Kn1x2Z-A
BOOOOOOOOORING !!!
The live tiles differ from widgets on what aspect??
N9 will only struggle if flash is enabled
IMO at least a SGX540 GPU is required to play flash smoothly
There is no currently sold device which won’t struggle with flash enabled on heavy flash sites. That’s why Apple don’t support it on their devices.
Check out this gallery.
http://conversations.nokia.com/2011/06/29/nokia-n9-photo-gallery/
the N9 “is the only Meego device this year.” yayyyyyyyyy!
Correction – the only Nokia device.
The more I hear about WP the worse it gets. The ONLY reason I want it to succeed at all is to help Nokia produce better S40, Symbian and MeeGo products.
Further MeeGo products would be great and I hope that the best things from it make their way into Symbian devices (e.g. redesigned camera interface etc).
Yeah same actually. Buy some time with Winpho (which though you disagree I think is still a great platform for end users) and then move back to the next disruption thing whatever that may be (when it’s ready).
Nokia Winpho looks to have a great outcome for 2012.
Seems like the N9 still manages to retain a lot of the N8′s functionality by making up for its own shortcomings.
USB-OTG and FM Tx/Rx are supported in the hardware, just need to be unlocked through software.
The N9 doesn’t support HDMI-out or BT 3.0, but is said to be DLNA-compatible and has NFC.
The camera sensor is smaller, but it is has that wide aperture and excellent camera interface.
I’d say trade-offs are worth the Swipe experience.
What is dlna?
Google it.
It basically enables the device to stream content (videos, photos, audio etc.) straight to other DLNA-enabled devices without cables.
Does it require wifi for it to work?
they can add USB – OTG but …..it’s elop i just hope elop doesn’t add that feature to WP7…..i would get pissed and swipe is getting added on Wphail7 already………
USB OTG, HDMI out etc.
These kinds of thing won’t show up for years in WP7 devices.
One MeeGo device every year would be perfect for me….
For me too
so i dont need to switch to webos and that restrictive apple and micosoft
+1
+1
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yes for me also .. happppyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy.
WP7 is already failing
True,
Quite simply, no one wants a WP7 phone, it offers NOTHING over iOS and offers nothing different like Android.
iOS – Controlled, closed platform but great experience.
Android – Opened platform, a bit messy still a good experience.
WP7 – ? I want to be iOS… by offering you the same restrictions and none of the advantages over iOS.
yes it is a real fail.. we should support meego by getting n 9 and boycoting nokias win phone. then nokia management will come to know about meegos power and pull resources back to nokia..
to be honest winpho doesn’t will get a good impact on market in the beggining, maybe after Q1 it can get but with a uncertain future; and Meego in just one day had 100.000 of review in internet, and many polls show that there are a good market for Nokia N9, so, if I could ask just one question to mr. ecosystem you know what i mean, it will be: Mr. Elop, why the absurd pretencion of kill meego without a serious study of sales of Nokia N9, if it device can make a high point in the market, even where the apple fans want one of it?
meego has an ecosystem and that is qt. remember that qt will lives on next billion s40 devices.
I’d guess Nokia is playing ambiguous here. They got a lot of money from MS, and they got obligated to push MS’s immature OS into the mainstream (stopping doing that for young Meego). If WP will succeed, Nokia will relocate their proprietary UX to WP. This is not pleasant for Meego users, but that can be expected from the partnership with MS – they don’t tolerate competition. But if WP is to fail, Nokia will continue Meego efforts. Anyway, just guessing.
yes agree , true trojen horse here is windows..
hey look at and vote !!!! MEEGO IS FUTURE !!!!
http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?MeeGo
“Admin” provided this link when i asked about Flash over in the HTML5 topic
http://konttoristhoughts.blogspot.com/2011/06/respect.html?showComment=1309244161165#c8807273851680035486
to Kontorris blog (coach for harmattan app framework) and he says Flash is supported just not in the native browser but its available in Firefox(fennec)
btw did you know that konttori is finnish and means office so is not name. Or i think so
As nice as Meego is, Nokia seems to have stripped out the native Skype video chat functionality from this version, either that or Skype won’t make compatible software for the Meego platform.
Skype IS there, but no video capability, unfortunately, which is unfortunate, since you can get it on an iPod Touch and it’s coming to the iPad.
Ugh, my grammar and error-check is awful. My former English Lit. profs would have my head.
There should be Google Talk support then.
And if doesn’t support Jingle and audio/video, some community IM will appear eventually too.
I know! The lack of Skype video calling was the first thing I noticed. I’m really hoping it will be available at launch.
I’m hoping even more than video chat is brought to Symbian, as was promised for earlier this year.
N9 comes to select number of countries.
The list is on: Nokia.com/N9