Rumours: Meltemi with swipe, Nokia Donna swipe too? But not Carla (though UI improvement on Belle).
Meant to post this the other day (just so much going on atm and forgetting about the stuff I put in reminders :S).
Unlike possibly vague predictions or current public knowledge presented as their personal prediction *cough*ELMU*cough* dsmobile has been quite specific on certain things and has shown to be accurate (we’ll have to see how his info on N8 successor pans out). He’s a fan of Symbian and MeeGo – WP stuff, not so much. I don’t know how much of the WP activity he’s aware of though.
- http://mynokiablog.com/2012/01/06/nokia-n8-successor-rumours-galore-sounds-awesome-will-make-n8-users-upgrade-d-it-might-still-be-symbian/
- http://mynokiablog.com/2012/01/08/more-nokia-n8-successor-hints-xenon-replaceable-battery-polycarbonate-bigger-screen/
- http://mynokiablog.com/2012/01/20/rumours-n8-successor-with-nhd-screen-low-end-with-swipe-ui-tablet-friendly-nokia-ui/
Here he gives hints on what he might have seen about Carla and Donna. Carla apparently does not have swipe (at least of what he has seen). The UI improves on Belle, better effects.
Donna however, might be a different story (I think his words before mentioned Donna being from a different family – some have interpreted this to meaning it might have a different processor line to the current Symbian phones). By different story, and ‘might’ it suggests swipe but not 100% confident.
However, dsmobile then ads that swipe UI (well swype, probably a typo) is going to be in Meltemi. This is something Marko hinted at a long while ago which Elop has also been mentioning time and time again.
He then suspects that the innovation of Swipe will be taken further by Apple. That’s possibly just an opinion but one we’re he’s entitled to since taking other people’s innovations further is what Apple does best. They already have something similar anyway akin to app swapping for iOS 5 right? Ah, Nokia, the home of ideas for Apple.
Carla does not have swipe UI. It’s improved Belle what comes to UI. better effects etc.
Donna well that might be different story but I think Symbian will remain with android style UI until to last unit Nokia is going to make.
if you want swype UI it is only going to be in meltemi and never a high end phone as long as Nokia is under Microsoft.
N9 might be only swipeUI high end phone Nokia is ever going to make.
Apple will take Swipe UI to next level before Nokia.
Update: dsmobile has just said he was just speculating this time.
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What is “swype UI”? Is it a simple typo?
swype, at least, is that keyboard where you write by joined up the letters on the keyboard. Is on Symbian and Android phones.
I’m not a huge fan of it. Not sure about swype UI.
So WMPowerUser has posted some interesting stuff on Apollo…
http://wmpoweruser.com/rumour-some-more-windows-phone-8-details/
If the NT kernel rumor is true…it will be interesting. At least, the MS experience of BSOD will be back. O.o
If its true then its likely that wp8 will be another reboot of the wp platform ..
“Seems that software compatibility with WinPhone 7.x apps would be preserved, but this is just my own guess.”
Excerpt from the speculation.
Which is why only managed code is supported rather than allowing native code and additional dev platforms like Qt. If they were planning on sticking with the same kernel for WP there wouldn’t be a need to keep things as restricted as they are now.
Elop doesn’t do anything good for Nokia, only for Microsoft. The reason they don’t seel Nokia for Microsoft because that concern european market. The biggest company in Europe buy by Microsoft will be a bombshell if it’s announced now. They prefer do the wrong choice for Nokia’s value fall, and after they will say they have problem inside this company we must do the choice to sell it to save it. That will be the good opportunity to do it, Microsoft has put his foot inside this company, that will be easy for him. I trust all Elop says is lie to do that.
Hang on, Nokia got itself into the current situation under previous management. The share price dropped due to Symbian being unpopular with American buying public.
Elop’s decision to switch to WP caused that share price to increase. AFAIK
If by ‘increase’ you mean decline to the lowest value in the past ten years and remain firmly glued to the bottom, then yes.
Here’s Elop’s performance in just over a year: http://www.google.com/finance?chdnp=1&chdd=1&chds=1&chdv=1&chvs=maximized&chdeh=0&chfdeh=0&chdet=1327484707682&chddm=150085&chls=IntervalBasedLine&q=NYSE:NOK&ntsp=0
He is on it. As soon as they hit $1-$2 a share, Microsoft will jump in.
Hmm, Nokia’s share dropped since Feb 2011 (11th?).
Thx. for your info.
Yeah.
Of course you could mention that Nokia’s stock price under OPK and his mob dropped from $39.71 on 2 Nov 2007 to $8.66 on August 27 2010.
You’ll also note that every time Nokia announces its disappointing quarterly results in terms of profits and ASP the stock falls.
But, hey, that would be objective, right?
Objectivity gets in the way of Elop bashing.
are you stupid or something? you can only use stats that show elopes or wp or Nokia in a bad light around here. if you have anything else to say fuck off.
also you can make up lies to discredit wp/Ms.
for instance,
“n9 has no billboard\newspaper ads of any kind. elopes is such a dick!”
or
wp will never launch in china, wp don’t have eastern language support.
is highly acceptable and in fact encouraged.
He was answering to Chris W’s bullshit claim, that Elop’s decision to go WP7 caused Nokia’s share price to increase. It most certainly did not increse but rather plummeted it. The share price dropped 25% after the February announcement and is now less than 50% of what it was before WP7 announcement. That is an objective fact, it’s not bashing.
Now why on earth should he write about OPK when he was only answering to that ridiculous claim made by Chris W? There is no reason. I know you are some kind of Elop/WP7/M$ fan, but you really should just be a man and accept the facts, instead of becoming defensive and attacking the messenger for delivering a message that’s inconvenient. It’s not incognito’s fault that the share price is abysmal. The CEO and the board are to blame here. Elop, being both the CEO and part of the board, is really the one who carries the biggest responsibility of Nokia’s poor performance.
The point is shares were dropping under OPK since 2007, so further share drops are not unexpected, and likely would have happened regardless of what Elop did. Now yes, share price didn’t increase under Elop, but he was given a sinking ship to start with.
oh come on, if OPK = bad, doesn’t mean Elop = good, both are jerk.
Nokia only escaped from a tiger, then be captured by a crocodile.
Nokia + Microsoft + WP – Symbian – MeeGo – Qt = Bankrupt
Hope not! MeeGo was a name for collaboration project with Intel. In Nokia MeeGo is called Maemo6 Harmattan. Meltemi is based on the same Maemo work – even the name Meltemi follows the same logic; naming after winds like Harmattan and Maemo5 Fremantle(-doctor), i.e. Maemo7 Meltemi.
It could be that MS contract limits the sales of other than WP phones over $100/100€ to a some already planned Symbian devices for a limited period of time. Therefore, Nokia could only develop new phones/OS in the S40 category.
For Nokia it is important that the new operating system supports QT, which binds Symbian, MeeGo and Meltemi together (S40 not being compatible).
Actually, MeeGo could nearly run in the Asha S40 phones already, which both share 1GHz prosessors. However, S40 does not support GPU and there are obviously are some things (drivers) to be developed to Maemo Meltemi that it could be used in feature phones.
I wonder, I Nokia’s plan is to build up a Maemo/QT ecosystem up from the cheap feature phones where Nokia is the market leader. Nokia has said that they will bring smart phone features to cheap phones and the line inbetween the two will fade.
By the time MS contract restrictions end, the Maemo+QT ecosystem could be viable and Nokia could release a Maemo superphone (heir of N9).
That could be… But I don’t think NOKIA will survive to see that day.
That’s why I want to see Lumias success.
Nokia needs to get money to stay alive and to invest for the ‘future distruptions’.
Personally I prefer N9, – have bought one and will buy also one or two more for the whole family.
finally. somebody who can see lumia is a nessecary evil. you are not a paid Microsoft.commenter are you?
Definitely not, but a firly big Nokia share holder and Maemo fan.
I may believe that MeeGo/Maemo ecosystem was not strong enough to capture the foreseen Symbian market share loss. Nokia may have truly needed support from an other OS (WP, Android). I hope that WP will prove to be a right choise in coming months.
In the countries where N9 is officially launched by Nokia, the marketing support has been quite impressive (not like with Lumia though). I hope that N9 will sell so much that Nokia must publish N9S/N10 with faster processor and GPU immediately MS contract allows it. I trust that Maemo is the best operating system so far and the comparisons with phones with quicker hardware are not fair.
if we go by previous records elop would have already signed a document that prohibits nokia from making class leading products. that would mean deliberately toning down their other products in favour of microsoft based products.
what future and what disruptions ?
Nokia has deliberately toned down products in favour of past releases, so that wouldn’t suggest anything of Elop’s doing even if it were to continue happening.
That is my main issue with the WP strategy. It kills every other choice from Nokia as the hardware ( CPU and GPU) will be second rate at best. Last years or even older processors for anything other than WP. Stupid, stupid move from Nokia. Nokia really need to provide options for those of us that will not buy WP or iOS phones under any circumstance. Else we leave for Android. No amount of marketing or FUD from WP fanbois or astroturfers will change this. By the way I am totally cool with the fact that other people prefere WP or iOS but not to the exclusion of good devices for the rest of us.
i doubt symbian or meego will bring super fast\new processors anyway. i supposed you wanted it to go android?
NO!!! Both Symbian and MeeGo Harmattan is possible to adapt to faster/ newer processors. If I want Android there is plenty to choose from with great hardware.
Yes, both symbian and meego can adobt faster processors. Symbian Donna update even allows presumably to use multiple core processors. If there is a restriction clausule in MS contract, that does not apply for the Symbian phones already in the pipeline which may include even a dualcore processor phone. Anyway, the contract should only limit Nokia for limited time e.g. 2 years after which Nokia could release a MeeGo/Maemo N9 successor, or return to produce more Symbian phones.
I’m glad dr_zorg is back
What makes you think he was ever gone?
+1 to that.
I hadn’t seen him for about 2 weeks.
He could be Jay’s friend at college, having exam.
or he could be posting with a different account
or not because its so difficult to do something like this in this site lol
Nokia would be stupid not to use Meltemi in at least upper mid-range handsets, even if high-end is left to WP.
I would be very disappointed if nokia weren’t interested in selling a ~£250 sim-free Meltemi handset.
Then again, Nokia’s ability to make stupid decisions is becoming legendary.
#shootbothfeet
+1
They will
look at the games companies who supporting the N9 with these iphone games!!! they must knew something “Nokia told them
”
Nokia is really the spanish “Lumia” and Microsoft the pimp…
Oh my god; it’s hard time for me to hear to more N9 likes. Elop completely destroyed Nokia trade mark.
I hope Qt quickly ported to iOS , BB10 and Android; I’m so sad
+1
@odin
Whaaaatt?? Are you sure of this? Nokia is binded with a contract to MS? To not allow Nokia developing & selling smartphone other than WP???
What a shame & a pity!
Shame pity would not be the words I would chose… But its good for the ecosystem….
No, I am not sure. It sounds a bit harsh, but there are more than one rumour about the MS contract and 100$/€ limit. It may well be that MS has demanded an exclusivity clause e.g. for 2 years or certain number of phones.
An average user will use the phone 2-4 years, so N9 could serve well until the contract ends. Even Elop himself said that he belives that N9 will sell long time. MeeGo/Maemo Harmattan is continuously developed; PR1.1 is out, PR1.2 is rumoured to come next month with 3501 improvements. Doesn’t sound like the end of N9 or Maemo.
Makes Nokia sound like a buttf##ked whore..
Before you get all excited about Apple, Zerohedge show units sales of Apple went Down in the US (smartphone) and in Asia/Pacific. What saved Apple were huge margins and Europe sales ,which happened during a time the imf head every.Sunday said Europe is on the brink?
So where is that metal 900 we were informed about?
dsmobile said it wasn’t metal, contrary to what nytimes and co posted and so that’s what we got. He said the metallic lumia is in 7xx region.
@odin
yeah, but in 2-4 years N9′s hardware will be outdated, it also needs refreshment in hardware.
So it’s not just my posts that aren’t getting threaded properly. Are you posting from Opera Mini as well?
yes, opera mini.
this post is from PC with firefox.
there hadnt been any major update like anna belle etc,earlier it was only some bug fixes etc the os will look same not like anna or belle
LOL this one got crazy by the looks!?!
There’s no way I CBF’d reading through all the comments.
The truly interesting ones will be slim pickings anyway.
Everyone’s got an asshole nowadays…
Tis very hard to sift real nuggets from the faecal nuggets.