Apple wins the Nano-SIM design drama
Surprise, surprise! Apple wins the nano-SIM drama.
http://mynokiablog.com/2012/03/27/the-nano-sim-fuss-between-apple-and-nokia/
http://mynokiablog.com/2012/03/30/nokia-apple-nano-sim-fuss-episode-2-rim-accuses-apple-of-cheating/
As to the repercussions for everyone else (particularly, Nokia, RIM, Moto who were against the Apple design) I’m not quite sure. Currently in the middle of doing a massive clean for our house as everyone’s moving out.
Here are some sources to read:
http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/news/mobile-phone/3361531/apple-wins-battle-over-nano-sim-standard/
http://www.slashgear.com/apples-nano-sim-design-chosen-by-etsi-01231195/
http://www.phonearena.com/news/New-nano-SIM-design-chosen-by-ETSI_id30812
http://9to5mac.com/2012/06/01/etsi-selects-apples-nano-sim-design-for-new-4ff-standard/
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nope, no one said that apple’s design is the winning one.
the revised design from motorola, rim and nokia also has the same dimensions.
Absolutely! All the announcement has said is that it’s not the original Nokia design …
but the measurements are close to the one Apple put forward. Why they chose the bigger SIM card design is beyond me.
OMG! Apple can you please stop this now? The other design was so much better!
God damnit!
A lot of the mac sites introduced Apple’s microsim along the lines of using less space to free up room for other items…but wasn’t it larger than the competing designs? I guess there must be some other factor.
It is smaller yes but that design needs a sim tray, and those crappy things with the stupid holes you have to put that weird key into seems ridicules.
Another thing is, if it had gone the other way it wouldn’t have been so glamorous would it? Right now it’s all “ETSI approves Apples new sim design”, if it was the other way round it would have been “Dying Nokia and RIM deny Apple of their new design in favour of their bigger one”.
Today is a dark day indeed.
fucking apple, they don’t even comply with the micro usb standard for charching devices, and they want eveyone else to comply with their design. dumb europe officials, they should have give the middlefinger to crapple
I don’t understand the big cry over some manufacturer using a proprietary design for a connector if the very same agreement included a possibility for using an adapter to provide the micro usb connectivity.
It’s actually nice to have one connector instead of several ones. Including the possibility to connect hdmi devices to the handset seems to require separate connectors for the charging and transmitting the media or that’s how it’s done in many devices utilizing the micro usb.
This is about the freedom of choise.
all other manufactures had their own proprietary designs for connectors, and all of them switched to a universal standard. you can’t defend apple on this one.
So you would allow only one solution and no alternatives? Sounds like communism.
The consumers should have the freedom of choice.
Communism?! You sound like a red neck imbecile that fucks his own sister…and mother.
We are talking about standardization here. Standardization is good in technology. Without it every single country would have their own type of electric grid, television and radio solutions, etc. etc.
One more thing. The fact that you are able to read this blog and write your crap here (and use the internet in general), is only possible because of the standardization. Without all the tcp/ip and other standards there wouldn’t be internet.
LOL, not sure if the insult was needed, but basically on the money.
The guy keeps posting like he’s some technical genius, when he’s far from it.
Standardisation is very common and NECESSARY…
The fact that he doesn’t get that….
Well, I’m not sure that there’s much that can be done there.
It’s strange how people from certain cultures seem to think that you can comment anything without the best possible knowledge on the subject. This attitude would leave us with a very few comments. Not to mention that your comment added very little to the actual subject.
It’s clear that there have be standards but it’s also clear that Apple seems to be following the one about the possibility to charge the phone with the micro usb. This particular standard gives you an option to use an adapter to do the job. If you don’t like this the complaints should be pointed out to the creators of the actual standard and not to someone following it.
Too strict standards may prevent technological advances. Now if someone would like to make a phone without any connectors by providing the possibility to charge wirelessly. If you couldn’t use adapter for this, a phone without any connectors would be impossible to make.
Standards make the tech world go round….
Without them there’d be no progress, only one big quagmire…
Apple likes to go it alone, but fundamentally it does follow those same standards.
It just goes about doing that in a different way sometimes…
Your OP that one spec & no alternatives is bad & like communism was wrong.
Sometimes it’s healthy to concede that you made a mistake…
Yeah, they followed the standad and the compatibility was implemented in a way the standard proposes. Done nothing wrong.
It’s great be able to have choices.
So strange how people nag about this while the actual standard was not broken. Not sure if that’s healthy.
I actually missed you earliest post:
“I don’t understand the big cry over some manufacturer using a proprietary design for a connector if the very same agreement included a possibility for using an adapter to provide the micro usb connectivity.”
It seems you were making the same point I’ve been making.
We’re actually in agreement, so my apologies.
No idea what you’re trying to say here though:
“It’s actually nice to have one connector instead of several ones. Including the possibility to connect hdmi devices to the handset seems to require separate connectors for the charging and transmitting the media or that’s how it’s done in many devices utilizing the micro usb.
This is about the freedom of choise.”
I think the problem comes from your English being hard to understand.
Some manufacturers have two separate connectors. One for charging and one for the video output. In this case this one manufacturer makes a connector capable of doing both while the rest use two different connectors.
It’s great if you can choose from several different options.
Ah I see, yes that’s true….
However MHL’s already quite common for a relatively young standard.
Hopefully in the next yr or so it’ll be very common for Android, BB, WP, Bada+Tizen etc.
I don’t expect Apple to embrace it of course, it likes to do it’s own thing.
WTF is the point of a tiny SIM if it requires a freaking tray.
THIS!^^
Exactly!!! Micro sim with a tray that makes it normal size = normal fricking sim!
But normal sim + tray would be bigger than the microsim + tray. No??
Yeah and an elephant + tray is even bigger.
A microsim *without* a tray would not be bigger than a nanosim+tray, but a lot cheaper, not have a million patents surrounding the rounded corner of the tray, not be a pain in the ass to put the SIM in, not break the second time you try to insert it into the phone, nor require some stupid needle construction to take it out.
also, Apple filed a patent for the nanosim tray patent before this began. Meaning if this was indeed apple’s design, others might have to pay apple for the tray that the nanosim sits on. If this is the BB/moto revision, then they can avoid that.
apple is the king, nokia, you must follow
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!
Obviously there needs to be an ethic on mynokiablog on how to blog. People write i am psoting in hurry as i have exams, need to clean house, computer is transfering file.
We don’t really care, if your blogging just blog about the topic.. Not your personal life.. Soon rhere will be someone blogging from his toilet and telling that as well?
Don’t worry next post will be thinking of Cobain692 while on the crapper.
lol..
I dont understand why it bothers you. for me it is a personal touch so I know I am not just reading another polished website. there are a lot of tech sites for that. I like how Jay and by extension anyone else who does this in their free time tries to keep their readers up to date on the info swirling around on the interwebz. and then they explain why they arent able to do a full write up. it shows they care about their readers even in the face of hectic IRL plans. I was going to suggest a deviation for you to other sites, but thought better of it because maybe things are hectic IRL for you and you just want to read a general overview without having to read all the posts. I dont know but it doesnt mean i dont love you….wait who said that?
Thanks
I always knew everyone who writes here is busy with real life things, given this is a free time hobby type thing. As much as possible, I try to write posts that aren’t always, “here’s a link” copy-paste, souless blogging. I’ll try to summarise what I see in videos, give my opinion on what I see/read, perhaps link together posts from the past to give a background etc, and if there’s time do tutorials, demoes and whatnot.
But sometimes, I am pushed for time and it’s a case between sharing these news with the readers or leaving it for later and possibly forgetting about it (latter happens too often, many things stuck in the drafts) and then being accused of ignoring certain stories :/.
I also like the conversation I have with the readers. I love the informal freedom to insert random thoughts or little updates about what I’m doing with my life in things that remotely relate to my nokia blogging (such as my hospital visits, exams, house hunting etc, so people know why I may not be able to respond personally to their mails or tips). I feel like for the regular visitors, there’s a pretty cool connection that I have with them knowing more than just the Nokia blog stuff. The really, really unconnected stuff goes on my twitter.
In the end, it is a ‘blog’ “A Web site on which an individual or group of users record opinions, information, etc. on a regular basis.” with the key basis that it’s informal, random, relaxed blog and hopefully readers will be ok with that.
It’s the little touches that you add that makes this website so brilliant.
And we appreciate what you guys are doing
Keep up the good work!
Dude this is an informal blog that is done in the spare time by Nokia fans. If you really want more “professional” ethics then just go to some other sites like some possibly owned owned by AOL or SBNation.
Thanks!
Some one’s boyfriend just broke up with them for the summer.
What part of ‘informal’ don’t you get? None of these dudes get paid and they are all students escaping the riggers of intense doctorate programs for the moment.
I’m sick of whiny wankers like you giving Ali and Jay shit.
Yes, using a sim tray is stupid. Further mor, not all new devices use micro sim yet anyway. So why the big push? If anything, make them hold more information.
Thanks.
It seems to be a recurrent topic that everyday, I have to post why we’re blogging. Ha. I guess I should sticky the response of it.
As you rightly say, this is a hobby that we enjoy doing purely for the fun of it. It is a nice escape to have something that contrasts uni.
I can understand that some people might have very high expectations of online blogs, which is why at the very title from day one, it hopefully indicates the random and informal relaxed nature of our style. We are real people, real fans that will take our time to share the Nokia related stories that we find or that other Nokia fans share with us because we enjoy writing about Nokia.
I don’t think I’d be able to continue very long if this also became something very restrictive for me or the other writers. There are certain guidelines but all in all, very relaxed.
If you don’t like why are you reading here…go to your ishit blogs……
So the new NANO Sim itself becomes a standard which if it is Apple design they will have to licence via FRAND however as pointed out the tray the sim goes into will be exclusive to Apple so they could licence that at whatever price they want.
Apple is using its huge power to bully the industry. One thing Nokia didnt do was act like a big douche when it was ontop of the pile it had more class. Apple is just acting like the douchebag they are.
It’s kind of scary how Apple can control the market.
They are not the largest manufacturer and they have very strong agenda for properiatery. Just like EU mandate for microUSB… that Apple got away while all the other manufacturers have to obey.
Nokia is phone maker, plain and simple. They want broadly used connectors and standards, they don’t have camera’s or TV’s that need their own connector.
Just like it was back in the days with SE wanting different memory cards and not using 3.5mm jacks. While Nokia was way ahead with those.
EC gives google until July 2 to change their search. Does that mean if you search Nokia 900 you wouldn’t be given 3 android ads? Maybe. Will win8 tablets come out in a few weeks? According to the news,yes. Get that metro if front of people,let them use it and they will come. Win8 on tablet is so cool.
Hahah, congrats Apple, you’re the best!
Well thankfully they did not get that tray design and they chose the Nokia, RIM Moto middle ground.
That Apple’s tray design would have increased the size, would have made no sense.
As I understand it, ETSI didn’t say Apple’s design was chosen.
Apple’s design, nor Nokia’s design were chosen. What was chosen ‘came close’ to Apple’s design as it was decided in an agreement. Still, the technical details are not yet released. So to say ‘Apple won’ is inaccurate.
What does it matter who won? In my opinion the most important part of this is that they they have selected the proper route to bring this little beast to the consumers and that should be what matters.
People are obsessed about companies. They are desperate do claim that someone won or lost. Just get over that, it’s the products that matter.
What does it matter who won? The ‘winner’ gets to license the patents out.
I agree, what matters is they have finally reached a decision. But what is it? ETSI only said so little about the 4FF, and no technical specifications on it are released yet.
How much more patents do you think the winner gets? I don’t think the difference is that big.
Let’s wait for the actual specs.
You don’t even know what you’re talking about.
Please, stop acting like you do, it’s quite sad.
Last time I checked even the design proposed by Apple required patents from Nokia. Do you think I have misunderstood that?
The winner may get some of the winner’s patents to be used in the final product. In addition to that the final product still requires several patents from the others involved.
Yes but looking at your posts in this & other threads it’s probable you didn’t know that.
You’re just good at ad-libbing based on what prior posters have said…
Yeah, it just doesn’t matter who won this. It’s just about getting the tech to move forward.
+1
I’m not sure this is even that relevant. SIMs are going to software based sooner rather than later, amiright?
Does anyone have any commentary on why ETSI chose the technical specs that they did? Otherwise it’s all speculation.
All that really matters here for the consumer imho is backwards compatibility, and that is part of the winning design, as i recall. Nokia’s own design precluded that due to different layout of contact surfaces on the chip (unless I misunderstood something). This is why it was not accepted and personally I’m grateful for that.
Imagine yourself grandfathered into a good plan that doesn’t cost an arm and a leg and being stuck on an old device due to SIM incompatibility (and the operator refusing to make a new chip for you with said plan).
Or imagine not being able to use your old devices with a new subscription. Very good for the phone industry, I’m sure, but frustrating for the customer. I’d like to be able to sport my N8s and E7s for some years to come.
So on this issue let’s not get blinded by fanboyism. Nokia is not the white and fluffy champion if the consumers that it once was.
USA CONTROL ANYONE