Nokia World 2012 – Collaboration Day, September 25th, Finland. Invitation Only.
The original Nokia World dates were Sept 25-26th in Finland. We heard soon after that it would be pushed early for an invitation only, partners/non media event (September 5-6)
Now there’s something called ‘Nokia Collaboration Day 2012′, taking place once again on September 25th, Helsinki Finland.
Michael speculates it might possibly be the blogger event?
What do you reckon it is? Will they show anything new from September 5th-6th?
Cheers Michael for the tip!
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does “partners/non media” mean it wont be live streamed?
on pureview 12mp wp8
are you excited?
WP8 Lumias not coming before Q1/13, from very trusted source in side Nokia.
Then Nokia is in BIG trouble then…
having nothing – again – in holiday season at the end of the year would be a suicidal step…
So, I’m sure – well I hope
– they will announce something in September. Most probably without PureView but still WP8…
Of course that is not true globally, perhaps it is true for region. WP8 Lumia will be out in Q4 with hopefully the launch on this side of Q3. The only reason Q1/2013 would happen is that whole Windows Phone 8 is delayed, but we haven’t seen any evidence of that.
So does it mean Elop is again planing to do the idiotic spreading of the “global” launch over year or so? If they don’t have all their WP8 phones available on operator’s networks at least in all the core markets from day one, then it’s big failure and IMHO further proof of boycott.
Yeah, I really hope they’ll get a global launch this time, and preferably in early October.
agreed…………
nn:
I have no insight into the details of the ramp-up policy or plan for Windows Phone, other than that I expect them to have more capacity than they in Q4/2011-Q2/2012 because they don’t have to rely on Compal this time around. They’ve had a full development cycle for the WP8 Lumias.
I was merely taking into consideration that Haniltom might have actually heard something from inside Nokia, that someone might have known of a schedule involving Q1/2013. That might be a regional variation. Or maybe Haniltom has no info, or the info was wrong, who knows. I was merely commenting my overall insight that no way is WP8 delayed until Q1/2013 in major markets. No way.
However, will it be delayed to Q1/2013 in some emerging markets or is there a ramp-up period overall, that is of course possible.
IMO they will have less potential capacity, at least in-house, because Elop is closing factories left and right. Also, as far as I know, Compal will be manufacturing WP8 phones for Nokia.
OK, so we don’t know how the launches will be organized, I misread you, at least there is still some hope for WP fans.
Only European manufacturing capacity has really been diminished, Nokia has a pretty new factory in South Korea punching out Lumias. And they have other smartphone manufacturing sites too that are now capable of doing – and are doing – Lumias, such as in South America (e.g. their Brazil factory).
Nokia definitely has more Lumia capacity now than they did with Compal, which is a measly contract manufacturer when it comes to smartphone manufacturing. Lumia 710 and 800 were largely Compal reference designs manufactured by Compal to speed-up the Lumia launch. They were never going to be a volume provider, just a kickstarter of sorts.
It is a different story for WP8, where Nokia has had a full cycle behind them. This is also one reason why Q3/2012 (and partially Q2) was so different for Lumia’s global availability, Nokia finally had their own factories making Lumias in larger volumes and were able to ship them worldwide. Compal wasn’t big enough for this.
They are closing factories in Europe, therefore they are diminishing they potential capacity. Of course it’s quite logical thing to do, after Elop permanently collapsed the sales it doesn’t make sense to keep capacity to manufacture 30 million smartphones per quarter.
But it shows that your story about Nokia being limited by manufacturing isn’t based on reality. (Unless, of course, Elop managed to horribly destroy Nokia’s manufacturing, but again, you didn’t provide any evidence of capacity problems.)
Btw, Nokia is manufacturing phones in South Korea for something like thirty years, that’s hardly new.
AFAIK they only produced (or rather, assembled) smartphones in Salo. The Romania factory was only making very low end S40s and perhaps even S30s.
Manufacturing/production management and logistics is a bit more complicated than just counting the number of factories, I would imagine.
nn:
Nokia has been ramping up capacity in Asia in recent years, including the said South Korean factory. They probably have excess capacity at the moment, Salo wasn’t *that* big, and Romania went out some time ago already. Did that one even make smartphones at all?
As for my assertion that Nokia *was* being limited by manufacturing capacity, of course it is true for Lumia, because it was a brand new product that used technologies, components and designs alien to Nokia at the time, which meant they used Compal’s reference design and initial manufacturing capacity to get a head start. Now that they have gotten their own factories to play ball with Lumias, their capacity has increased a lot.
I am not saying Nokia had any capacity problems within its own factories, I am saying that Nokia needed time to get its own factories, component acquisition etc. to manufacture Lumias (and Compal who did the initial runs wasn’t geared up to manufacture enough for a global launch). Nokia got Lumia out in one third the time it usually makes phones, because it outsourced a lot to Compal who already had a reference and manufacturing ready. The down-side is Compal was limited in its capacity.
Much of this has been said several times in Nokia’s own investory communications, so it is not something I’m making up. This is why they teamed up with Compal, to get a product out in 2011. But it is also why they consistently communicated that 2011 would be limited availability and 2012 the year of volume production. That volume production really got under way some time in Q2 finally.
While availability issues are nothing new in Nokia land for new products, the circumstances under which Lumia was born (the rush to get it done and out in mere months) made it different from the rest. For the WP8 launch things should be back to normal, because Nokia has had a full 18 month cycle behind them to plan and setup their manufacturing network for them.
Just to add that there MAY have been some ramp up issues (and management, e.g. in the form of ramping down N9 body manufacturing and ramping up the L800 and L900 on the same said line/factory) with regard to the polycarbonate bodies as they are machined and drilled, something that is not the traditional manufacturing capacity/method.
Fair point, there may have been a limit to how many bodies Nokia could make at the time – although considering that they were preparing for the N9, I doubt that limit was the deciding factor. But sure, it may have been a combination of these things.
N9 capacity was being created, yes, but Nokia also quite well knew that they would not need the N9 capacity for very long. So it had to be sequenced to some extent. There is no way they would have created double capacity just for the sake of the N9.
Fair point.
My counter argument was simply that Nokia probably had been preparing for large N9 capacity for some time… even before the Lumia decision. So I doubt their unibody capacity was that small. I’m still thinking the capacity to punch out Lumia motherboards was a bigger issue, since it had to be done initially by Compal and only later by Nokia’s own factories.
But hey, we’re just speculating. Obviously transitioning to Lumia that fast was taxing on them. I think we can both agree that shouldn’t be an issue for WP8 and thus Nokia hopefully gets their thing going better this time around.
Hard to believe that motherboard could be the issue, manufacturing PCBs is well known process.
nn: You are reading me too literal. I meant the internals of the phone that Compal did, as opposed to manufacturing the body which was being discussed. Compal didn’t have capacity to manufacture millions and tens of millions a year of phones, they were set up for much smaller runs.
You were claiming that Nokia is limited by manufacturing capacity in general, that this is the reason for the painfully slow ramp up of Lumias availability, and by extension, for their low sales.
That is simply false, there is no evidence for that story, instead Elop is blaming retail channel staff, he is closing factories, writing down inventories of unused Lumia parts, scaling back WP7 production, and so on.
BTW, should we believe your theory about Compal being just temporary stop gap before Nokia can bring up own factories, we can prepare for repeat of the same delays when WP8 launches, because Nokia is going to use their services again.
Why would Compal’s involvement now be similar problem? It is not a problem to use Compal. The problem was they used ONLY Compal for the first months of Lumia manufacturing. Now that their own factories are up to speed they have more capacity.
Oh and I’m not explaining Lumia’s woes in certain markets by capacity. Lumia’s sales are determined by many factors. But capacity did mean they could not launch WP7 globally but took them three or so quarters instead of which at least two quarters were constrained by ramping up manufacturing.
You claim Compal was hired just for speed kickstart of Lumias production, that they couldn’t support global sales anyway (which is false, btw, Compal is perfectly capable to handle the volumes of WP phones Nokia is selling), that now (and especially for the near WP8 future) it’s different because Nokia had time to bring it’s own production capacities in place and the transition to WP manufacturing is finished, etc.
So yes, if Compal continues to make phones for Nokia, even the WP8 ones, there is obvious hole in your argument.
I understand how the supposed capacity constraints could affect availability. I’m saying there is no evidence or even hint of evidence for manufacturing limitations in 2012 and that there is ample evidence for the opposite.
nn:
Of course there is no hole in my argument. I am claiming Nokia’s Lumia manufacturing capacity was slow to ramp-up, hence limitations in Lumia manufacturing capacity overall in Q4/2011 to Q2/2012.
Here is why your logic fails:
Look, say Nokia needs to make X amount of Lumias a quarter.
- Say Compal is capable of making X/3 of those, a third.
- Q4/2011, Nokia could only make X/3 Lumias, so no global launch. The have only one third. (Don’t pay too much attention to that 1/3 number, just the logic.)
- In Q4/2012, Compal still makes X/3 Lumias (maybe hey make more, but that’s beside the point), but now Nokia makes X/1.5 Lumias in addition to that.
=> In total, Q4/2012 would see a production of the full X/3 + X/1.5 = X amount of Lumias.
Compal’s contribution is significant, and did help to kickstart things, but it is not enough for what Nokia needs. That was my point.
Heck, maybe even Compal might have upped their capacity by Q4/2012, but in those early months it was Lumia’s manufacturing capacity that was holding the global ramp-up back. They didn’t have enough for all markets.
That of course is not the only reason Lumia’s sales are still in the single figure millions. But it is one major reason why the global ramp-up was slow and why Q3/2012 is only the first full quarter with near-global availability.
Again, I understand perfectly well how Compal could help if Nokia faced capacity shortages. However, the point is they are not facing problems with manufacturing capacity, so your example doesn’t apply to real world situation.
If I should give yet another line of evidence, for Q2 Compal planned to produce 4 million WP phones, i.e. almost all of what Nokia eventually sold that quarter. Then Compal = X and whatever Nokia had in their factories is excess capacity, thus your example completely falls apart.
BTW, funny quote from the article: … one can safely expect Nokia to sell 6-7 million Windows Phones in Q2 2012 …
I dont believe that all. On the other hand, I could easily buy the fact that Pureview and some other innovations wont come before Q1 2013.
Don’t believe that. They will definately bring min. one (!!) WP8 device this year!
will jolla anounce their n9 succesor on september?
They only promised an announcement this year, so I wouldn’t expect one before november.
jolla cant make this its heavenly mobile
they just gonna time pass
they down have a culture…they waste too much time thinking what others are doing, rather than doing something themselves and setting a benchmark…excuse 808
If they aren’t going to announce a 41MP PureView Windows Phone 8, then what compelling device are they going to announce?
Seriously, PureView is the only interesting innovation they have that can sell Windows Phone.
Mr Flop said they are “where” company now
no picture company
no OS company
no tablet company
=>
where company
While I can appreciate the fun and games, I think the recent acquisition of Scalado signals us that Nokia intends to be a photographing company as well – in more ways than just PureView.
I think Me Flop mis-spelled “a whore company” as where company you know
Samsung has no trouble selling crappy-looking plastic bricks devoid of any trace of professional design, so there must be more things that can make or break a product than meet your eye.
NOKIA Microsoft partenership failed!!!!!THey going to announce iphone competitor phones..Nokia is now concentrating on own ecosystem..Nokia will rise without windows phones..
Meltemi is gone but Jolla is there for nokia bridge project…
Meltemi is gone but Jolla is there for nokia bridge project…Jolla is face of nokia…Dont worry nokia will live in Jolla.
For once I agree with coderror on this one. What other stuff will attract users to wp from android and ios if they dont have an awesome 41mp cam on their next lumia’s?
And I’m still waiting for this nokia stamp that nokia was talking about when people here said we whould she it at the start of the year?
Only differences nokia can bring is:
design(Which rumors are saying its gonna be the same n9 design)
Maps( which all wp OEM’s will use nokias maps instead of bing)
Pureview( Which alot of rumors allready say nokia wont have an amazing pv out until next year)
so wats gona be so amazing on wp8 lumia phones? Nokia already also say they not gonna change the UI which microsoft actually gave them premission to do.
WP8 itself is hopefully very competitive and compelling. Then what makes people choose Nokia over other WP8 makers, well, Nokia has to continue providing the best differentiation, best exclusive apps and features. There are plenty of differenting features within software Nokia can do, much more so than the ones you listed. Design is still very current too, but hopefully there will be new designs as well.
It will be a long hard road for Nokia with WP8, for sure, but I don’t think PureView is the only thing they can differentiate with.
- offline navigation
– Carl Zeiss optics with some usual Nokia sw magic (not necessarily PV)
– something else…
ask that to Ali…
We’ll see soon.
Although, there are things like Rich Recording as well. The CB display on the 900 is still the best for outside viewing etc. I hope they can bring in PV and/or some new tech from the labs, I don’t think they’ll do either, but one can hope. Qwerty WP could be a big enough differentiator for the first gen WP8 too.
That’s what I’m thinking too. Nokia should at least make the n9 design more attractive (it already is) and do some customizations with the ui even with just the lockscreen or something
By the way, that boat in the picture of this story is on the sea outside Nokia’s Espoo, Finland headquarters. Nokia House is those three low blobs on the left, towards which the proverbial dinghy is pointed at.
yesterday i had asked the Nokia Global on their own Facebook.
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I asked ”is Nokia will be introduse a new smartphone on the next month?”
and they just answer thats ”just keep your eyes open on the next month
i think it’s mean some amazing and fantastic thing will come on the month
It is their standard response. Don’t raise your hopes too much!
LOL
well janne is an incorrible entusiast to WP , i don´t believe in that, i think Jolla is beteer ani hope it will be PLAN B , because is open and not OS off others
This is not my rumor or story or tip.
they just gonna discuss about sevices
It seems that more devices will be launched within a month.
i don’t understand people expecting pureview wp8 coming this year. they released the 808. they will wait a year to announce the next generation of the pureview. untill then maybe we will have a smaller sensor on the flagship lumia. this is all i am expecting, a 12 or 16 mp with some pureview tehnology. not the full sensor