Weekend Watch: Nokia 808 PureView multitasking – 40 apps
Here’s a video showing the Nokia 808 PureView multitasking 40 apps. Apparently with no lag. Not bad. I’ve only just had to remove the battery on my 808 after it froze whilst only having the gallery in the background :/
They note that the apps don’t tombstone or suspend like WP7.5 or iOS. For some people real multitasking is essential. Things run in the background so they continue to do what you set them to (play music/load web page/install/download something) and resume instantly (for games, those tend to be frozen too. Understandable though).
This weekend I’ve been playing with the iPad Manchester Medschool gave the students. Some things like music ran in the background fine, but other things like the app store were suspended. Each time you install something and try to put a new app on app store, the app store has to reload itself and doesn’t even remember the last section of apps you scrolled to. It was very annoying.
I think WP7.5 on the Lumia does a better job with instant resume, especially on the core apps. It’s not technically ‘true’ multitasking but it is real fast switching. These limitations in part help with the overall stability of the device. Multitasking is both about being able to do many things simultaneously and switch quickly between tasks. For some where both is important, we have Maemo/MeeGo/Symbian.
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i think in WP7 the core apps have proper multitasking as if u dload an app from marketplace even if u minimize it dload will continue and also if u lock the screen n a app is bieng downloaded wifi will not disconnect same with office if u are downloading a document and minimize the office app
Yeah, on lumia/wp I normally set a queue of apps to download whilst I’m browsing and listening to music.
BTW Jay, do comment on your phone purchase thinking. We are curious.
http://mynokiablog.com/2012/09/08/nokia-lumia-920-october-18th-says-german-retailer-possibly-november-2-for-att/comment-page-1/#comment-650726
so called “outdated” OS :>
“burning platform” :/
its so outdated that whilst symbian in the 808 can do 41mp pureview pro with stereo rich recording the 920 lumina can only do 8.5mpx and mono rich recording..
A downgrade it sure is folks..
The burning inside nokia wasn’t symbian, meego, it was the politics and the infighting between teams and how some things were done which lead to slow to market products..
WE WANT SYMBIAN AND MEEGO BACK!
Lumia 920 is not a monster camera form factor, it is a slim slab form factor so obviously it won’t fit a monster camera or qwerty. But it does have OIS, that no Symbian device has, and there is plenty of other innovation and moving forwards there. Upgrade for sure in many, many, many ways.
I’m sure Nokia will eventually release WP8 devices in the monster camera and qwerty form factors as well.
Nokia just does not get it i guess
Lumia 920 will be out(wished it had aleast 12mp, i knw Mp dont count),
soon after few months new Lumia with Phase 1 and 2 will cum out.
They got it rite with Nokia N8 and Nokia 808 .
Yes, but that will be a completely different type of device. It will be different form factor.
Here we have a slim slab type of device and Nokia put a lot of goodies in it, including the first OIS mobile implementation ever. It isn’t watered down, at most only size-constrained.
Surely a monster camera is a niche device, not a flagship. What is important is that Nokia puts a competitive camera in their flagship and not crap like they used to. It looks like Lumia 920 finally got a competitive flagship camera with true innovation in it.
It isn’t about the number of pixels but what you do with them.
So all in all, I expect the Lumia 920 to still be the flagship even after Nokia releases niche variants for the monster camera on qwerty crowds (much like Samsung has Galaxy Camera and qwerty models separate from S III).
I think Nokia now gets it. In the past they didn’t, they segmented their phones, but since abolishing the N, E, C and X segments I think they are taking more and more steps in the right direction. Lumia 920 finally looks like an all-arounder flagship, the first since N95.
actually i agree with @Jules
Nokia definitely does know how to create something revolutionary, but they have no clue what to create to market successfully.
For consumers it does not matter whether the cam has a properly implemented OIS or not. They simply look at numbers. The whole world was expecting to see atleast a 12MP on its new flagship, this is what eventually lead to disappointment and stock downgrades and etc because people sitting at wallstreet are not much better in tech stuff either.
So really, even though i/we appreciate OIS and PureView market has always reacted to numbers.
I want Nokia to win, not just survive
@Sreeni Ra
If big numbers alone sold phones, iPhone would not be the biggest selling single smartphone model with its mere 8Mpx camera…
These days success hinges on multiple factors: ease of use, choice of apps, supportive ecosystem and feel in the hand.
Indeed, there are other Mfrs that have attempted and failed with this blinkered, short-sighted philosophy: Sony-Ericsson, HTC, etc.
I love my N8′s amazing 12Mpx camera, but all too often that amazing device stays home and I’ll take out my ‘inferior’ Lumia 900 because its easier to use, automatically uploads photos to SkyDrive for easier instant sharing and has a UI that is far more engaging and enjoyable to use than Symbian.
Frankly, its only the camera and Gravity that tie me to Symbian. The Lumia 902 is probably enough to pull this Power User clear of Symbian once and for all…
The 808 is smaller than the 920, and easier to use with one hand.. so, the form factor of the 808 is actually more acceptable.
Have you used a 920 then? Presumably you must have to be able to make that distinction…
No, but I’ve had a Lumia 900, which is smaller and not as heavy as the 920, and found the 808 to be easier to handle..
The 920 and the 900 are almost identical in design, so I think my “guess” its pretty accurate.
thank you for realizing politics where fully involved…someone here is thinking out the box and has a mind…i’m the only one to say that and told i was a troll
You are tiny stupid troll because for each feature that 808 has against Lumia 920 there are several more were it is way-way-WAY behind:
* No descent Web Browsing experience (even if Opera)… Inexcusable…
* No OIS…
* Amazing screen resolution with PPI even greater than the almight Apple iPhone retina display (what is the screen resolution on 808 again?)
* No Apps…
I could go on but you get the picture. The problem is your moronic one-sided childish “anal-ysis” of what is a “downgrade” or not…
Keep it cool people. Embrace WP8 or slowly (but surely) be extinct….
No descent Web Browsing… old processor on using arm11
No OIS … different hardware
No Amazing screen… different screen
No apps… Because it’s give negative PR of “almost” dead
Notice all the first 3 reasons are hardware related.
The biggest advantage WP has is Mr. Elop
Biggest advantage WP has is an ecosystem and bags n bags of money from Microsoft.
Nokia cannot afford to lose money by putting their resources on Meego or Symbian.
I don’t think it’ll happen but in worst case, if WP fails I hope Nokia will resume its work on Meego
Symbian development cost must less then the licensing cost of WP.
Let me give u an example:
nokia sold 100 million smartphones
Symbian “suggested” R&D cost $1 billion
$10 per device
Ms will charge more than $10 per smartphone
usually around $15
100million smartphones
Total cost $1.5 billion
Now MS might pay something for licensing maps etc. But Nokia could have earned more from the holding their own OS by selling apps, music etc.
Now my boy about Meego, oh dear cost much much lesser .
Nokia will never sell as many Windows Phones in a year, as they did Symbian based ones.
so good… then billions more will be saved on licensing cost /s
I don’t care whether the phone has outdated or modern OS as long as it works on the purpose it is intended to be.
After all, I would’t raise my phone up high on the crowd & tell them – “Look, I’ve got a phone with the most modern OS in the world”, or “Look, I own the best phone in the world”. Neither it would change who am I. Its just a phone, & it will remain phone.
As long as a phone works perfectly, I am contented.
I don’t care whether my phone has a burning platform, as long as it serves me until 2016 & beyond.
exactly,symbian/meego/maemo5 ftw :3
people are too damn needy this day and age and it’s making them stupid -__-
Back on the N8 days I was able to run 30 apps at the same time, at this level one had to be careful what because it would start shutting some of the down – but 30 was the number I got to.
Haven’t tried with the 808, but with more memory I think with selective app choices going even beyond 40 might be possible? Of course with a large game or two the phone will probably start shutting apps down automatically, without any tombstoning in the case of Symbian.
Nice to see my video make it to MNB
I could have added more but I reflashed a week ago and don’t currently have much installed.
@Jay, is it happening with me or with others also that .mp4 videos aren’t playing on N8 after upgrading with Belle Refresh??
Symbian is still the best multitasking mobile OS so far, given that its behavior is similar to desktop OSes. It can still close apps when memory gets too low though.
Android is very strict about killing idle apps but most apps don’t load the previous state properly. Even on ICS, I hate how apps get killed and then restart empty… absolutely infuriating when I have a bunch of tabs open in Opera, which then gets killed after a few minutes of inactivity, only to restart with all previous data gone. I have to reload each page again. Total hassle when I’m on a plane with no Wifi around.
Why can’t all these OSes tombstone properly? No one will care if you can’t do full multitasking if you can save the complete state and reload it fast.
because symbian was designed only for smartphones and nothing else like bbos and palm os
Symbian wasn’t designed for smartphones, it was designed for pocket computers with very limited resources like the Psion handhelds. PalmOS’s multitasking model was closer to WP with tombstoning and resume rather than allowing idle processes to still access resources.
EKA2 is the best mobile core out there.. by far.
And Series 60 is the worst UI framework on anything, by far
Nokia had touch UIs before with Hildon and UIQ supported touch before that, but only the S60 camp in Nokia won out… and ended up destroying all of Symbian.
It’s a classic case of a Pyrrhic victory.
They really should have just ripped out S60 and used Orbit on top of EKA2, before that got cancelled. Or even Qt on EKA2, rather than the bloated unfinished mess of Qt on S60 that we have now.
Spot on. I wish EKA2 didn’t end up in Nokia’s hands.. it wasn’t a good home for it.
But then again, who else would have made anything out of it? I dunno, its just sad to see it go and never reach its full potential with a nice/moddern UX on top, and a port to dual core SoCs.
Dennis May is still @ Nokia.. but probably not for long, he is THE man
http://www.linkedin.com/in/dennismayeka2
I still get pissed when I read all the announcements coming from Symbian Foundation from 2007-2009. Support for ARMv7 Cortex A8 processors, multicore support, multiple resolutions, but Nokia did nothing with all of these developments. Instead we got S60v5
Dennis May’s CV sounds interesting:
• I designed and implemented a load balancing scheme for the Symbian SMP kernel to distribute work between available CPUs – on an ancient single core ARM11!
• I contributed to the stabilization of the system software in the run up to N8 shipment, reviewing code and fixing bugs – as in cleaning up the shit caused by stupid N/E/X-series divisions writing their own versions of Symbian and not having a single coherent codebase
I pity the guy actually… he should’ve jumped over to Android or Meego or even WebOS development.
I know.. I don’t know what went on at Nokia during that time, but whatever it was, it ruined the company.
As for D. May.. he probably thought he could do more with Symbian @ Nokia, who knows, I can’t find him on twitter, otherwise I would ask him hah
But ya, it seems like he did A LOT of work around Symbian.
Yeah, him and Rich Green and a few others all sounded like they tried their hardest to fix Symbian at Nokia. All to no avail.
The irony is that, by switching to Windows Phone and letting Microsoft slog on the OS, Nokia are now free to work on hardware and cool apps like the 920′s Pureview and City Lens. The end user experience is the key to success in mobile and Nokia are finally understanding that.
“Yeah, him and Rich Green and a few others all sounded like they tried their hardest to fix Symbian at Nokia. All to no avail.”
The plan was to shift towards Meego. And QT. This would ease development time.
@jay: It isn’t necessary to remove Battery
http://bit.ly/Oe3Kqm
Great tip! Thank you (and thaks to DD of course!)
I’ve just ordered an 808. Looking forward to it. Will there be continued Symbian development after this? Hope so
There is speculation that there will be one more sort of major update after FP2.. we will see. If not, it will mostly bug fixes..
Have you heard anything about whether there will be a further Belle ‘refresh’ for the N8 etc. after the current roll out has finished?
Have you heard anything about whether there will be a further Belle ‘refresh’ for the N8 etc. after the current roll out has finished?
Have you heard anything about whether there will be a further Belle ‘refresh’ for the N8 etc. after the current roll out has finished?
Have you heard anything about whether there will be a further Belle ‘refresh’ for the N8 etc. after the current roll out has finished?
Woah! Apologies for the quadruplepost, having problems posting from my N8.
I’m not sure I’m a fan of home screens, and I do like the neat & tidy tiles of Windows 8. So much less clutter. The 920 screen is fantastic. Perhaps the next Symbian refresh could have tiles
The next Symbian refresh is WP8
That’s how Nokia sees it. Symbian is as good as dead and with FP2 out, I don’t expect any major releases down the line.
Time to reflect on what could have been if only Nokia hadn’t slowly strangled Symbian to death with their totally inept handling of it…
**** those tiles symbian has widgets and widgets are solid….if you want that tile crap go get a wp…phone or dl those skins for symbian on nokia store
Just broke this record with 42 apps opened on 808 http://bit.ly/RZLSza
808 wl b my next phone. symbian may not b as fluid in other areas but it still gets d job done. if 920 got fm radio n transmitter plus mem card slot n proper file mgr, i might consider it. i hope wp8 allows bt file transfers n file download on its browser. oh, custom equalizers too or via app.. i dont hav a modes sound system so analog audio rca out is a plus. wp8 have nice UI transitions
808 wl b my next phone. symbian may not b as fluid in other areas but it still gets d job done. if 920 got fm radio n transmitter plus mem card slot n proper file mgr, i might consider it. i hope wp8 allows bt file transfers n file download on its browser. oh, custom equalizers too or via app.. i dont hav a modern sound system so analog audio rca out is a plus. wp8 has speedy n nice UI transitions but my core features r missing. im just a casual phone gamer n i found apps on symbian reasonable. i weighed in all d new cool tech on d 920 against 808, but i still prefer d latter. nokia, u made a great job packing ol d features n tech on 920. i want puremotion hd+, pureview phase 2, n wireless charging! yellow 920 looks original n great!
The 808 will be my phone of the moment. I do not know what my phone needs will be in a few years time. Choosing a phone is not a finality. It serves until you get the next device.
Could I learn to write apps myself?
Projecting the market place forwards… There was the video war between VHS & Betamax, and then with DVDs, there was a competition between Bluray & HD DVD. Hitachi gave in on that one because the wrong kind of competition is a waste. We have convergence of devices. Phones, tablets & computers. Android is mature enough for tablets. Windows 8 on phones and computers is a compelling argument. In the future will there be room for many different Os’s? For geeks – Yes, for the masses – maybe not.
Yes, you could write apps yourself, have a go at learning Qt Quick. It’s nice for making simple apps quickly
Just don’t get into the scary mess that is Symbian C++. Symbian fans will have to become like Maemo, Meego and WebOS fans – if you need an app, be prepared to write it yourself or support someone who will.
I hope Nokia will release the sources to Belle FP1/FP2 later so we can continue working on our phones even when Nokia and Accenture stop doing so. After that, who knows, maybe WP8 or WP9 or Jolla/Meego will become compelling enough to switch to.
(What is side loading?) I like using Spotify which I pay for, and I would like BBC iPlayer. Wouldn’t I need permission to write apps for those, and couldn’t I just run the versions for N8 instead?
If you were going to interface to DRM’d services like Spotify and iPlayer and Kindle, yeah, you would need permission from the service providers. Otherwise for services where the protocols are available like WebDAV, Dropbox or Skydrive, you could just write your own client software.
But if QT Quick is that simple, why aren’t they doing it? I will Email tech support at Spotify because I am a premium customer
Because Qt Quick is good enough for basic apps and UI, but it still doesn’t cover the hard stuff needed for DRM content. For that you need to dig deep into the bowels of Symbian C++.
To all the people saying how Symbian is superior to all other operating systems, please write a Symbian app and see how messy it is once you need to access the hardware. Qt Mobility APIs help a bit but they’re too little, too late.
If apps work on the N8. Will they work on the 808? Or will they work with some minor updating in a way that I can explain to Spotify?
symbian is the only os in the world that can do proper multitasking even with 333 MHz CPU and 128 mb ram .
SYMBIAN ROCKS . LONG LIVE SYMBIAN
And Nokia is the only company stupid enough to have a flagship smartphone running on ancient CPUs and not enough RAM e.g. N8
same BS with the 808 … good thing we have the Lumia line to take the “flagship” label away from the ARM11 monsters. Not that Lumia 900 had “flagship” hardware, but still..
I’ve opened a maximum of 68 apps on my 603 on FP1, which included several HD games. Unfortunately, I didn’t have anything to capture a video of it at the time.
FP1 is extremely good at multitasking, I’ve opened over 60 apps several times and it has never frozen or restarted. It has come to a point where I rarely close any of the apps that I regularly use and just let them run in the background.
Heres a video I made a couple of months ago
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-B7fAOUjqs&feature=youtu.be
Ya.. you don’t need to close them. Someone correct me if I am wrong, but it takes more energy/resources to open/close apps all the time, then to keep them running in the background. Unless of course we are talking about Skype, or any other app that needs constant CPU/radio attention…
all i want is the official support of skype for belle fp2! it works on 808 by sideloading. But still the old keyboard from belle.
It does not take much time to support belle fp1 or 2 i guess.
Maybe Skype were waiting for FP2 to release a new version of the app ? I really hope so.. that would be nice. Video calling ? right..
This is my heartfelt thought of NOKIA
As s company NOKIA did well until 2006-07 and remained king of the mobile phone world.Others couldn’t get even close to It.But today case is changed.Now it seems like doing last breathes at death point.
The turning point of game was when wild animal call ANDROID and IOS grows NOKIA didnt do anything about it.They produce different hardware with same symbian s60v5.They didnt do any major modification at that time.Doing same thing over and over is not the right thing.Specially when others offer cool features with others OSs. Nokia think others cant get close to NOKIA.
At that time most manufactures used Symbian. Even Samsung and Sony Ericsson etc…
But day by day those wild animal called ANDROID and IOS grows well.
When day by day company is going down what they did was mistreat its own elder child SYMBIAN and MEEGO and adopting a WINDOWS baby. I cant understand why NOKIA didnt understand that windows baby cant fight with those ANDROID and IOS wild beasts. Baby cant fight alone.
The thing thing that Nokia should do is produce a strong family with with these members until windows baby grows enough to fight alone.
couple of NEXT LEVEL SYMBIAN devices,1 or 2 Meego devices and couple of windows deceives will make family stronger.
Now ANDROID and IOS are giants. Nokia you should make strong family to get your place back in Mobile world.Windows baby cant do it alone.
You can do it.Because u Nokia have one thing other dont have. you have good soul.Dont mistreat ur elder child due to adopted child. Treat equally for them .u will win the game.Still u can do it…
wise man told ones ” BETTER LATE THAN NEVER”
+1
great advice for the executives who care for Nokia.
ya man but who cares….:D
+1
great advice again
the java script just kills the symbian browser.. it feels so much better without it
sub.
stanial no’s right there…
Wonder what sort of stuff the N9 people are doing (smoothly) now.
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its not just any single core…its special: a shitty ARM11 core from 2002.