Anssi Vanjoki trades tweets with Jo Harlow on Nokia Lumia 920/N9/808 being the world’s most innovative smartphone.
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When Nokia called the Nokia Lumia 920 the world’s most innovative smartphone, I was very unsure about that comment. But looking at the previous post comparing the top devices currently available, in many ways, Nokia is very right.
- PureView for blur free, low light shots, smooth videos.
- PureMotion HD + for a really responsive display where screen is more fluid than ever
- Super sensitive display – works with gloves/finger nails.
- Wireless charging – another added convenience – just pop it on a charging surface. No fiddling with cables.
It’s not simply about having more numbers. BTW, as much as people accuse PureView in 808 as being just that, no it isn’t. They all eat their words when they see it in action.
Nokia first and foremost (and sadly for some) don’t enter the specs game haphazardly. They put stuff in because it benefits their users (e.g. again, 41mp sensor for PUREVIEW type 1) and not simply because more numbers will attract.
Last night, Jo Harlow tweeted,
“As we said, the Nokia Lumia 920 is the world’s most innovative smartphone!”
Anssi Vanjoki jabbed back:
Jo you still have to beat N9 and 808, but other than that you have it
Credit where credit is due, N9 is super innovative in many ways. The design and the Swipe UI are remarkable. 808 was the device Vanjoki hinted at years before as that DSLR like Nokia. And heck, we’ve seen comparisons by third parties to say Nokia’s done an excellent job on that.
The 920 also has great innovative features of its own. It’s not fighting in the numbers game. It’s fighting in features that actually will be useful for the end user.
Either way, all three are Nokia devices.
We can only hope that Microsoft speed up to show us the much anticipated software side of consumer features. BTW I think they should be banned from showing resizing of live tiles for more than 5 seconds.
BTW, I found this funny image RT’d by Nitish Murphy. Just a playful jab.
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Good old Vanjoki
http://youtu.be/rdIWKytq_q4
See this video and you’ll just know the IQ level of iphone users
We all at mynokiablog will seem to feel like Albert Einsteins..
Ha! Going by *that* trade, you could quite easily argue that the N95 was the world’s most innovative smartphone…
It wasn’t?
It’s really difficult to be “innovative” as it seems every innovative thing has already been innovated… Somehow Nokia pulls those out of their hats still.
Not a surprise, but I think Anssi is right, Lumia 920 just improves/changes/removes features already existing in Nokia’s previous phones.
In other news, if 2/11 didn’t happen, we already had Pureview N10 with Harmattan v. 2 last spring.
In other news 2. This video did hit iPhone fans nerves being so accurate already a month ago… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIRBxRlsYR0
“In other news, if 2/11 didn’t happen, we already had Pureview N10 with Harmattan v. 2 last spring” we all heard the rumors but can anyone document this?
Oh that’s so funny – great vid!
“Lumia 920 just improves/changes/removes features already existing in Nokia’s previous phones.”
Wrong. Puremotion HD+ hasn’t been seen before. PureView Phase 2 is quite innovative. For the first time ever in a smartphone, Optical Image Stabilization. Not just that, there’s also new algorithms that use the Optical Image Stabilization to capture blur-free images at night time. I think it’s much more innovative than making the previous camera module 25% thinner *cough* Apple *cough*.
While N9 and 808 are also very innovative, I would defend 920 because it is certainly up there with both of them and isn’t just playing the numbers game the competition is.
I’m with you on that one – N95/N9/808 PureView/Lumia 920 all deserve to sit in Nokia’s ‘disruption’ category. The category will be truely will be topped when they have a device with PureView phase 1 and 2 combined but currently I’d consider the Lumia 920 to be very much flagship – esp as it’s WP and not Symbian/MeeGo, so it stands high in it’s own right.
I don’t like everyone knocking the Lumia 920 so much…sounds more like bitter grapes than people taking the device as seriously as they should.
Some of the points made are pretty solid, & have zilch to do with being bitter…
Some are partly motivated by bitterness, but it smacks of insensitivity (or ignorance) for you to not appreciate WHY.
the n95 was…
For the time when it came out, yes it was. It still is a crown achievement of Nokia adjusted for the time and the market when it was released.
Jo Harlow makes around 2-3 tweets/year. Most of them about some nonsense about her going to vacation for drinks in the sun, or similar. Good to see that she now remembers that employer is Nokia, although I still hope not for long. Someone else should be responsible for smartphones. Dont know who, but someone else.
You don’t know who? I know who the perfect Nokia face for their smartphones should be – Marko Ahtisaari!!
You’ve got to be kidding me… that’s hilarious…
I must admit 920′s hardware is great, I love it, unfortunately it uses WP OS, thus I’m not interested to buy it.
I hope someday nokia releases it with linux based OS, and reduce its weight.
Windows Phone is just not for me, I have used it, developed for it but I would never have it for my main phone OS.
Lumia 920 is an amazing phone ruined by WP OS
That’s a fair statement. Different people, different needs
Yes I think it is a good thing that Apple and NOKIA are taking here very different directions :
Apple : specific shape, relatively small and thin device, limited weigth, few colors available, iOS UI
Nokia : more standard shape, two different devices including one with changeable cover, larger and heavier, choice of nice colors, WP UI
At the end make your own choice…
thanks, actually I’m xperia user now, but I respect nokia, I have purchased 8 nokia phones. I’ll return to nokia, if it has linux smartphones.
Wait for Jolla.
It’s oranges vs. apples.
N9 is definitely the most innovative UI-wise phone out there and probably will remain at that for a long time, but the HW in N9 was pretty standard, perhaps even a bit outdated.
Lumia 920 on the other hand brings so much new HW at the table that it can’t be denied.
Well N9 was released 14 months ago… But you are right, it’s SOC was not exactly the fastest then either, but it doesn’t really show other than with sub par video playing.
Not UI, but UX. The industrial design there was the complete marriage of hardware and software. In some sense similar to MSs tablet. Also, the UI itself needed true multitasking, parking wouldnt have fit the UX.
One has to admit that there can be a lot of cool stuff also OS wise, which an OEM cannot reveal.
Yes the hw was poor, but we also know* that there would’ve been successors out (at least 2x Harmattan) by now that would’ve been far better hw-wise, & an even better wave (real MeeGo not Harmattan) in Nov/Dec, that’s the tragedy.
Still, good to see at least that those hw improvements are finally showing in WP, well soon-ish anyway.
*at least those that hung out in the maemo/meego communities heavily in the 6mth after it’s announcement, & hence rubbed shoulders with those closely involved with harmattan & meego.
There’s almost nothing innovative about the N9 UI. Everything that was fresh they got from webOS with a few tweaks, and it had the very drab square grid of icons look that has been around since PalmOS.
The user interface is more than looks. It’s also about how you use the phones functionality. The N9 shines when it comes to use of gestures instead of buttons.
I still prefer the grid of icons against a list of icons, which takes a lot more space on WP.
I dont know about the rest of N9 users, but I tend to have most information on stand-by screen (not possible on Iphone / Mango so far) with time, date, remaining battery %, mode, next appointments, tracks playing currenty.
The next most used view is feeds, where I can see, if I’ve received messages (independent of source) and latest twitter and FB updates.
Then I have multitasking view, where I always have eg email client and browser open. And depending on what is going on eg public transportation or map app.
The last view I use is the app grid, where I launch those apps that I use infrequently or the app uses eg GPS that eats battery a lot.
What Jolla can improve, would IMO be
– a customized home screen that could look as simple as the feed screen
– have widgets, where one can directly enter information (not pictures) eg. send message and select channel for it (eg. FB, Google chat, SMS
– add similar people hub that Modern has, but with less headache giving and much more compact & plain visual appearance
I’d say you’re full of shit, yet again, surprise, surprise….
Having heavily used Harmattan* & WebOS (somewhere, if I can find it!) the overall feel is completely different.
Sure many concepts are borrowed**, but the countless subtle differences combine to make for two totally different UX’s.
And the whole assertion that if a UX borrows heaps from one or more others then it must be inferior is hilarious.
*I’ve been reading your comments for ages, it’s clear you’ve not heavily used a N9, even if you own one, which I doubt
**And most of them are borrowed from elsewhere themselves, 1-2 are truly original -if that
The iPhone is very funny lol!!!!!!
I want to share that pic on FB
how can I do it?
On WP tap and hold > save on phone. Then in picture hub saved pictures album pick share on FB. For some reason FB does not appear on share options directly when you do the first”tap and hold”. Hopefully something they will fix in 7.8/8.
With N9 tap and hold -> select share picture -> select Facebook -> add comments, if you want
If the N9 or an “N10″ were released with the 920′s hardware specs running Meego that wouldve made every other phone irrelevant and I wouldve believed in Nokia again..
MeeGo and Symbian has no ecosystem and destined to failed no matter how great the features it has
Nokia need Microsoft ecosystem to succeed, you will see it in future Windows Phone 8+
What ‘ecosystem’ did the WP have before Nokia jumped on board? And please don’t say Skydrive or Live accounts – you can implement those in pretty much any OS out there.
“ecosystems” are.. as Jen called it, “corporate wet dreams” … nothing more.
That is very true. There was good commentary on ecosystems in general and MS in specifically. Should have saved the link.
The main tie in that they could do in the future is through Xbox. Otherwise:
– PC aka Windows: most phones work well with it. MS cannot lock others our, or they would get eg EU after them
– Enterprise systems (eg. dynamics family): MS already has built clients to Android and IOS
– Office: Tablet could be, smartphone or smart glasses efinitely wont be used for editing Excel or Powerpoint. And there are good apps one can use to do basic edits
If Nokia had not chosen WP, it would be dead and MS would have been forced to support other systems. Which would they have chosen? IOS? Android/Google? Nokia/Qt/Meego?
Nokia never needed wp. Wp needs Nokia to survive.
And will die…
OMG you are tiresome. Just go away.
So what, the non-existent Symbian ecosystem, that until recently had more apps than the Windows Phone store didn’t exist?
Nope, both you – and the Nokia management – are hopelessly wrong.
+1000
In their position, one more lie won’t make a difference!
Vanjoki has a point. Nokia had a faithful following of Symbian, and what they had to do was to migrate them to their next OS, in this case, Windows Phone. However, WP doesn’t tick many checkboxes/features that Symbian did, and a lot of them are in Android, which is were a lot of Symbian fans are now. Sad really, because in my particular case, I would like to support Nokia, and the 920 is the best phone of the current crop, but not at the expense of feature regression.
There’s a follow-up:
Dammit, image embedding never works for me… Anyway, the follow-up: http://i49.tinypic.com/5z0qs.jpg
And I completely agree, the Lumia 920 is all fine and dandy, but apart from yet unproven camera improvements, there is nothing that would really make it stand out from the crowd, and you need that ‘special sauce’ if you are to reclaim your long-lost marketshare. You need a device that would make Apple and Android users want to switch to your offer.
Apart from the 808PV’s camera, and to some extent the OIS on the Lumia 920, there really have been no advancements and innovations in the mobile industry this year, both on the hardware and the software side. Which makes the technophile in me sad…
Vanjoki definitely gets it. Now is the moment where Nokia’s marketing has to come out shooting all their guns.
Regarding innovation, I would add the Krait processor, and the wireless charging/NFC combo of the 920.
The Krait CPU is a natural evolution, and there are better (or more performant if you will) full A15 implementations out there like in the OMAP5 line. NFC has been with Nokia for more than 2 years, and inductive charging is everything but a new tech out there (Palm did it, BB did it, a lot of non-mobile consumer electronics do it…)
So, no real innovation apart from the camera work. Nokia needs a `halo` device, something they had with the N95 last time, which ticks every single box out there and then ups the antes enough for the competition to think `well, we didn’t see that coming`, Lumia 920 falls short of such task.
Still, what’s done is done, let’s hope Nokia will be able to properly market their device as it can, finally, at least compete with the big boys before they come down on it with a vengeance. That also means that Nokia should pull every string they have to force Microsoft to at least once release their products on time.
Agreed, finally they are in the same ballpark with the premier iOS and Android devices HW wise + UX (IF WP8 gets released and its working), still unfortunately major lagging in apps available + their pals owning one which may drag down the adoption of the platform.
They might just be ahead in camera, display, touch tech but it isn’t enough.
At this stage everyone has a smartphone, they need to launch devices that will make you want to drop your current platform, software, way of working etc. and thats quite a large task indeed.
Its incredible to think that apple have released SIX iPhones, and only one new release per year, for Nokia to come up with something comparable.
Here I disagree a bit. I dont believe on device can tick all boxes. They need to have 3 flagship devices:
1. Classy technophile device
2. killer cameraphone, can be fatter than the above
3. Superior business phone: could include eg beamer. Qwerty would be good, but there are no UIs atm that work with N900 form factor (a friend of mine claimed that Swipe in his N950 is not perfect, at least what comes to 3rd party apps; WP would need a lot of work)
I’d argue that Rich recording is innovation. And 60Hz display in a mobile phone is kinda innovation too. Also the lenses that OIS enables ( like the one that can remove some moving objects from videos ), are pretty innovative.
We also don’t yet know how they have improved the ClearBlack, although that might fall more on the improvement/iteration -segment than innovation.
Not like the previous years have been much better.
Rich recording confirmed for the 920 ?
yes, mono though: https://twitter.com/PhoneDaz/status/244338526039195648
User benefiting “innovations”/features of the 920:
- HD screen
- IOS
- smart camera features
- wireless charging
- NFC, including also the wallet features
So, I agree and disagree with Vanjoki (although not clear he was saying 920 does not have such user benefiting features – may well have been just making a very general remark).
All the others are existing or small enhancements to existing impementations. IOS can be a true innovation depending how it betters 808.
IMO the main innovation is packaging all the above into one.
I know that Vanjoki did not mean it, but I’d expect Nokia to reveal stuff in more user benefiting point of view. Eg. “You are in a bar, not really sober, it’s dark, there is a risk that you dont remember the face of the girl the next day, she does not like the idea of a picture, you agree on seeing her few days later, you need to take a picture without her noticing to ensure you remember her face to make a sound decision, if you even want to meet her later on (ie having facebook contact is not an option)”
Those times are long gone, but I would have bought the device soonest
Sure, those are user benefiting features, but only one of those is an innovation (which is also yet unproven and Nokia botched up the momentum with the faked video which they needed as a fish needs a bicycle at this point). Of course, Nokia should advertise them more, and better, I agree with Vanjoki on that (at least that’s how I understood that tweet), but they still have a long way to go.
I still think Nokia needs to make a device which would be hard to resist even for entrenched non-Nokia users, one that would really nail it in all aspects and offer an extra notch in all the specs sheets. Nokia could do that, whether Microsoft is up to the task is a whole other story… But Nokia needs it. Period.
Well the funny thing is: after google switching to 16:9 screen ratio with nexus followed by sgs3 apple ist the next who changed the screen to this ratio. A screen ratio used by nokia for a long time…….until they switched to windows phone. A point why i don’t like the 920s design is because it has a screen with too much phone around it on top and buttom.
well as a n9 user i’m generally used to a all screen design.
Nokia started the 16:9 trend with the N8, and now.. because of the OS, are running a 15:9 screen on their “flagship”.
started it back with the X6…. if im not wrong
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N9/808/920 have all different kind of innovations. But what matter is to get all those innovations and features in one device without being a brick… and as Incognito said we need that “HALO DEVICE”.
N9 is over rated name anything that it does which nothing before or since can do, it was inferior in terms of raw specifications to rivals and like past Maemo devices one you start installing stuff and adding services it lags like crazy
Harmattan was & is FAR MORE polished than Fremantle ever was, you’ve clearly never used both heavily.
It’s still buggy in many small ways & one or two big ways, but that’s not because of how poor the implementation is.
That’s a direct reflection of how dramatically the team’s been downsized in the past 19mth, & esp. the last 11.
We’re talking about a team that at last count 6mth ago, was already at about 10% of original capacity.
you could not be more wrong about me not using them heavily N900 was my main sidekick for over 18 months
I gave the N9 up after 3 months and went to Android, N9 is a beautiful piece of Art but I dont want a device to just look at or be a Fashion accessory, The device, excuse me not the device but the OS had way too much missing to be a daily driver for the Normob.
That’s funny, I’m somewhat more hard-core than your typical smart-phone user & I’m yet to find it lacking in terms of built-in utility.
Incognito is far more technically adept than the typical smart-phone user, yet it seems to more than functional enough for him.
“The device, excuse me not the device but the OS had way too much missing to be a daily driver for the Normob.”
Umm no, if anything the device (not the OS) had too much missing, the OS is extremely malleable, that’s not the issue.
Things that are lacking somewhat are hw & 3rd-party (commercial) dev interest, which would’ve been far less of an issue if there were successive devices.
What comes to hw, Harmattan clearly was much more advanced than Mango. They just did not launch it with better specs.
Exactly, we know there was successive devices that were very advanced in the prototyping stage, at least two would’ve been out, & “at least” one of them ages ago (i.e. Q1).
And as already pointed out…
Heavy dev of the OS petered out at least 8mth ago, if that hadn’t occurred it’d be extremely feature-packed by now, not to mention stable/slick.
Even articles here have revealed & more-or-less conceded that built-in utility is greater than WP7x, it’s just lacking some of the polish/stability that WP7x has.
Not sure that the 808 qualifies as an “innovative smartphone”. Sure, the camera parts are nothing short of mindblowing, but the smartphone part is quite sorely lacking in innovation…
true, but PureView is enough to tell it’s an innovative smartpone, This technology requires making some changes inside symbian os, so the whole device and system has been changed by PureView. You can’t take PureView and put inside Lumia without significant changes inside WP.
iPhone 5 must be compared with lumia 820 .
Lumia 920 is miles ahead then iPhone 5 .
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