Chippy on the Nokia PureViews, 808 and 920. Could 920 produce better pictures most of the time?
Yesterday we looked at a video comparing very quickly the Nokia PureViews, 808 and 920 recorded by Steve ‘Chippy’ Paine (CarryPad, Ultrabooknews, UMPCPortal). You may have seen a multitude of his videos, many of them recorded on the Nokia camera kings, such as the N82 and N8. No stranger to Symbian, he’s currently in possession of the Nokia 808 PureView (which he’s really impressed with in terms of camera quality).
He found that post from yesterday and left a comment to explain a little bit more on his findings. As commented by a few readers, Chippy’s gonna try and get Nokia to play back the part of the video where they shake the phone purposely (though it does smooth out the video, people want to see the result).
Chippy makes an interesting remark that he feels that the 920 could actually produce better pictures most of the time for most people (aka, average joes).
We’ll have to wait and see if that’s the case in real life usage. Now folks, it doesn’t necessarily indicate ultimate quality or potential, it’s just that the 920 seems geared towards the masses, thus would possibly have a more versatile auto that does not really require much tweaking. I’m guessing that for those in the know, they can always have the option of pushing the 808 to it’s limits which could/would then outperform a 920.
Either way it sounds good that the 920 would ever come anywhere near the 808 let alone produce better images in situations other than low light without flash.
Chippy seems to favour the 920′s solution for PureView rather than oversampling. Do you agree? Perhaps in 2013 we’ll see both in effect and you wouldn’t need to choose one side or the other.
Hi Jay.
Thanks for posting this.
It’s causing a lot of discussion which is usually a good sign.General comment to all reading:
I’ve got the 808 here (and had the N8 and N82 before that as my main
phones) and am so impressed with the quality of the 808. With a little
knowledge and tweaking you can get great photos out of it.
Last night, great example…
https://plus.google.com/u/0/106056812477855110591/posts/ 7EHcWodVo79 The Lumia 920 is a better consumer choice though and in general, from
what i’ve seen and researched, it’s going to produce better pictures,
more of the time, for more people.Personally i’d rather have OIS than 41MP and I think most consumers would too.
I might go back to Photokina tomorrow and force Nokia to play back the
shaking part of the video though. They did the same with me as they
did with Engadget – only playing back the steady recording. I’ve seen
the playback of the unsteady recording and it’s damn impressive
although there are artifacts. The edges of the images don’t get as
much stabilisation as in the middle and if you watch the preview
windows on recording, you can see that happening on the sides of the
image.Despite that, we’re talking about a huge leap here. OIS is VERY
important for smartphone cameras as, very simply, it allows more
photons to reach the sensor and that, in my opinion, is better than
oversampling and post-processing.Sorry if i’m preaching to the choir!
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Nice insightful comment. Can’t wait to try it out myself!
I am just fed up of this hide & seek game , just release the dam phone thats it ……
yes, i dont believe it when most the well-known site has reviewed it. personally i am againt tiles and metro,
agree 100%, not only should they release soon but release it on multiple carriers like HTC
If Nokia releases a WP with both Over-sampling and OIS, I will say SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY
If people were in anyway impressed by Iphone4s image quality (because it was over saturated and made everything look nicer)
then they’ll love the 920 photos.
Yes it can.. I am sure that the small sensor with no oversampling will beat the 808 in most situations.
with smaller sensor size? Are you kidding?
And the next pureview phone would not really improve but will have a different way of implementing “Pureview”.
WP .. f..t..w?
I am not an expert but according to my computation, 808 will always capture more light than 920:
* aperture area: advantage 808 (920: F2 @3.73mm vs 808: F2.4 @8.02mm) by factor ((8.02/2.4)/(3.73/2))^2 = 3.21
(
http://i.nokia.com/blob/view/-/849564/data/2/-/Download1.pdf and
http://i.nokia.com/blob/view/-/1824212/data/2/-/Download-pureview-820.pdf
)
* sensor size: advantage 808 (85.33 mm^2 vs 17.30 mm^2) by factor 85.33/17.30 = 4.93
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image_sensor_format)
* shutter speed: advantage 920 (shutter speed 8x slower at best) by factor 8
(http://i.nokia.com/blob/view/-/1824212/data/2/-/Download-pureview-820.pdf)
Of course 3.21*4.93 > 8 so 808 wins easily. Furthermore due to longer exposure, the foreground in 920 will be much more prone to blur.
Any expert to debunk this?
Mmm… Lets see when the 920 get out… I will wait til’ GSMarena Photoshowdown, the guy probably is right, the 808 is like a badass car with tons of power with a manual, purist will love it to dead, but average joe will find it hard to drive
this is fake , just impossible , there no way for lumia 920 beat the 808. all about megapixels, no matter what technology is used, the 808 has xenon and 41mp , 920 has led 8.7 wtf ? not even be close. Here it seems that there a lot of stupid people . Why the hell are you taking a picture in low light without flash? and I am more than certain that a n8 takes better pictures than the 920. all photos taken with the 920 now on display were taken with a prototype not the finished product. pure bullshit lies just to fool the people
The 808 needs a tripod for photos the 920 can do handheld.
Only if using full resolution. Otherwise hand doesnt need to be super steady.
the things are like that : nokia bets on wp devices so any other devices are worse. 808 was just an old project that come alive because nokia had to show the result of 5 y work. right now nokia use 808 just to link pureview brand with 920. so any wp device from now will be better in any way than 808. how good are nokia wp devices maybe we will know after the separation from ms. nokia have a tradition in abandoning nice products, see n9. so my advice is to buy 808 because of the low price and if u want great pics. the wp devices are mass targeted so far. great devices from nokia are rare, last one before 808 was n8 in 2010 so in one year from now you can expect something nice from nokia.
I am amazed at how many people assume that all low light photos must and can only be taken WITH FLASH.
I am amazed at the ignorance you display whilst at the same time calling people who would take a low light picture without flash.
It is all about the megapixels? The tag line of the 808 is that it’s not about the number of pixels.
The whole point is to have effectively used pixels, not simply having more of them.
So a point and shoot camera is better than a dslr? Now ive heard everything.. 808 owners bought the phone for its advanced features, they didnt want a simple point and shoot, even though the 808 can do that too.
Its crazy to try and pretend others are better .
The 41mp oversampling method is just supreme. The only time you need a steady hand is when you choose the 38mp raw option.
Honestly, the extremes people will go , to justify their inferior products.
Paul , Cmon , with u !
I agree , this sounds bogus to me . While the 920 isn`t out yet , from what I`ve seen , the 808 is clearly superior . AS AN EXAMPLE , TAKE THE VergE`S` 920 PIC reshoot . If u notice , the 808 was left in auto with the flash off . Why , if the 920 is better for most people ?
Nor do I agree that the Lumia is easier to use than the 808 . In auto , the 808 produces spectacular results with no photography knowledge required , from what I`ve seen . Also , I seem to recall people , including Nokia , claiming that the N8 was a niche device and most people wouldn`t know how to use the camera to advantage , and we all know what happened there !I ndeed , while all the Lumia models COMBINED have sold 7 M , the N8 , in first year BY ITSELF , sold 10 M . And that`s not counting the other S3 models , most of which , as I understand it , have done nearly as well as the N8 .BTw , i think dss was being sarcastic .
Dan , Paul , I agree , iI suspect a marketng stunt , again , sigh …. And this one may very well backfire too . Don`t these people ever learn ?!? Why doesn`t Nokia do the right thing and just leave it that the 920 is better than its competitors ? And then announce a truly awesome Lumia , something like the 1001 concept ? That would do wonders !
my opinion is that in the next year or so nokia will not release a wp8 phone with a cam better than n8 cam (808 out of the question)
Wont happen..
He’s out of his mind. 808 over 920 simply for it’s xenon. HDMI and microSD expansion are two other huge deals for me too.
OIS is not meant to give you crystal clear image/video when you rapidly shake it.. it will never do. What it does, it compensates slight movement (camera shake) – producing perfect images/video.
Cheers,
Miki
I wonder if some of you people would be bashing the 920 as much if it was running Symbian/Meego…perhaps not methinks..
I think the point the guy is trying to make that from the point of view of someone who is not a photography expert, it will be easier to take decent photographs in more relevant, real life situations, than perhaps the 808.
If you are well versed on photography then of course the 808 is going to win. Two different Pureviews for two different audiences, both impressive in their own ways.
There is a lot of negativity from people who are ultra precious/sensitive about the 808 who can’t seem to take it when someone has a differing opinion to themselves.
Why can’t some of you Nokia fans be happy that Nokia is still at the forefront of mobile phone photography with two products catering for different audiences?