Google purposely blocking YouTube access to Windows Phone, Google Senior Execs do not want first class experience on WP?

| January 4, 2013 | 106 Replies


On Wednesday, MS apparently raised concerns over Google’s continued attempt to prevent their services appearing on Windows Phone. YouTube is one such example where Google is blocking Microsoft from offering proper YouTube access.


Despite government scrutiny, Google continues to block Microsoft from offering its customers proper access to YouTube. This is an important issue because consumers value YouTube access on their phone: YouTube apps on the Android and Apple platforms were two of the most downloaded mobile applications in 2012, according to recent news reports. Yet Google still refuses to allow Windows Phone users to have the same access to YouTube that Android and Apple customers enjoy. Microsoft has continued to engage with YouTube personnel over the past two years to remedy this problem for consumers. As you might expect, it appears that YouTube itself would like all customers – on Windows Phone as on any other device – to have a great YouTube experience. But just last month we learned from YouTube that senior executives at Google told them not to enable a first-class YouTube experience on Windows Phones. Via WMPU

(BTW, when’s gmail supposed to stop fully syncing on WP? Yes, another Google great idea)

Cheers for the tip Dan and Alan.

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  1. Keith too says:

    Google also randomly throttles IE when viewing HD vidoes. Just as it did with Microsoft 90s, these kind of actions will catch up to Google one day.

  2. stormtroller says:

    Change the browser User Agent to iOS/Android/N9 and all good to go, just like N9!

    Wait, can you change WP Browser’s UA? :D

    • Anthony says:

      ha ha

      don’t be cruel ;)

    • allmächd says:

      yeah, with an App from Store :)

    • Toni says:

      Actually N9 suffers from this very same defect. CuteTube is non-functional every few months because Google changes something in the way Youtube interacts with apps. And trying to watch Youtube videos without a proper client on N9 is an exercise in frustration, so, no, at least for N9 the situation is not any better.

      • thedead1440 says:

        Use iOS UA on the N9 to watch youtube videos and you tell me its an exercise in frustration? Are you sure you tried that in the first place?

        The HQ video setting etc are all available and behave just like as on iOS so it works very well in fact…

  3. Pdexter says:

    It really is quite cocky, but unfortunately YouTube, even more than Facebook, is one of the things others just can’t replicate.

    I wonder when will the government bodies and such start hitting Google, like they did to Microsoft by splitting the company and what it can do and what it can’t do with it’s OS.

    Apple and Google are just as much on power on internet or on their OS:

  4. says:

    i’ve said it before and i’ll say it again, google is evil.
    thank goodness nokia and ms are trying hard to create a third choice in ecosystems.

    • Edgar Mkrtchyan says:


    • Andrew_b says:

      Whatever happened to ‘Don’t be evil’? First Gmail, now GooTube.

      Karma will catch up with them eventually, like she is nipping at the heels of Apple now. I can’t believe that Microsoft actually are starting to look less evil than both Google and Apple these days. Perhaps it’s something to do with maturity, but Apple is nearly as old as MS and should know better. Google, on the other hand have some lessons to learn yet it seems. I find it incredible that I have been defending MS against these two hawks in recent months, it’s such a turnaround.

    • Deep Space Bar says:

      nope this is revenge on Microsoft for blocking any brower from being is installed on a windows 8 tablet…soo too bad for they….lol

  5. JGrove303 says:

    Well, I’m a little surprised Google isn’t blocking Windows 8 running computers as, well, since Google is SO badass now (sic).

    You know, Vimeo has put great support into WP. Let tell Google to eat a bag of dicks and just post videos on Vimeo.

  6. Noki says:

    in one word Karma :)

    What Comes Around Goes Around.
    Microsoft as been doing way worse things than this for years.. I have no pity for Microsoft in this area.

    • Pdexter says:

      I totally agree with that, but also remember that MS has been the interest of many for much over 20 years that has meant taht the company was actually cut in half back in the day and there are countless of restrcitions by USA and EU on Windows.

      It would be only fair if this would be done to Google as well that now has Android that dominates the OS market and controls the internet.

      • Noki says:

        yeah on a general note I agree google should be controlled as Microsoft should be and apple.

        About the countless restrictions, mostly ignored by Microsoft might I had.

        I cant help showing a smile to see Microsoft surfer from something they did (and still do) for decades.

        • Ere oli aliarvostettu says:

          Making lots of money and having a strong position in 5% of unit sales is hardly a reason for controlling Apple. Apple is just making design products for one product segment. Hardly something that should be controlled.

          While Google may be the giant controlling almost every segment in smartphones, it’s questionable if they really have that dominant position in smartphones.

          I’ve heard people claiming here that Android applications are not really controlled by Google and anyone can use Dalvik to fulfill the application needs of a new platform. If it’s really that way, then Google has no ‘real’ control over Android.

          Maybe someone should have controlled Nokia when they had the market share of 40%? No?

      • Tom says:

        Dominating is different than abusing monopoly positions. Microsoft has been convicted of abusing their monopoly in desktop.

        • Noki says:

          They also been caught bribing people in ISO committees. Wen it comes to this sort of low level warfare they are #1.


        • Bloob says:

          The wrongs of MS hardly justify the wrongs of Google. Big companies, especially ones in or nearing a monopoly position, should be kept in check.

    • Tom says:

      Interesting, no one is complaining that office file format is closed and open office /Libre Office or other apps can’t open office file properly, without hacking/reverse engineering.

      Also, activesync is proprietary and not a standard, requires license from MS. Why don’t folks here ask MS to implement standard? IMAP, caldev/carddev? All standard works fine with gmail.

      Hold on, microsoft don’t like standards.

      I like it when someone sticks it to MS.

      • Noki says:

        The list of proprietary protocols Microsoft comes up with that are completely closed and incompatible is so long that we could be here for hours enumerating them.
        Realy this is just a little taste of their own medicine, no pity for them…

        • says:

          no pity for ms, but pity the consumers who made youtube so popular,
          google bought youtube, it didn’t create it,
          so what stops google from buying other services and then restricting them ?

          • Noki says:

            hey its bad they do that, we are not even sure this is true or just Microsoft finding excuses.
            I’m not defending Google just that I cant pity Microsoft, they did far worse things with their monopoly to end users.

            Times are changing, not so long ago doing anything like this to a Microsoft product would be market suicide, not today ….

            Any way I agree its bad if its true.

      • Toni says:

        – as a matter of fact, they are not closed. Microsoft was forced to open them up to third-party as a part of the settlement of competition proceedings. I even have the document in my Dropbox. The fact that Libre Office nor Open Office is willing to pay for the access is an entirely different matter. Moreover, Microsoft is using the Office Open XML standard in post-2007 Office programs, and Office Open XML is a standard anyone can abide to. Just check the specs from ISO and pay the price from the use of proprietary technology, as with all the standards.

        Latest Office programs also support .odt files from Libre Office and Open Office. I think that your information is somewhat dated when it comes to criticising Microsoft. There might be many good reasons to criticise them from their business practices, but at the very least stick with the truth rather than fabricate sillyness.

        • Mark says:

          Sshh… don’t burst Tom’s hate bubble with facts!

          • Marc Aurel says:

            Let’s also not forget that ActiveSync is still proprietary… OOXML is really open, but since it’s not free, it’s practically out of the reach of OSS projects like Libre/Open Office. I suppose Corel has used the specs for WordPerfect — not that most people even know that WP is still (barely) alive, thanks to the US legal community.

        • Deep Space Bar says:

          sooo um what about Microsoft stealing from oracle….their .doc file format

        • Deep Space Bar says:

          dude they stole formats from oracle…. Wtf don’t defend them

      • correct says:

        Hahahahaha move along troll. Google’s IMAP implementation is NOWHERE CLOSE to standard. It is a freak, mutated implementation of IMAP, which has to be specially supported just like Exchange ActiveSync.

        Also CalDAV and CardDAV are not standard implementations at all either. Any company can use their own customer CalDAV/CardDAV implementation, and in reality that’s how it is. Google uses a custom CalDAV implementation for example, Apple uses a slightly different implementation, and on and on. The point is Google’s CalDAV and CardDAV implementation is ALSO proprietary.

        It’s pathetic to see the Google defense here.

        Google is being EXTREMELY evil here. And no don’t bring up what Microsoft did 15-20 years ago. We’re looking at the here and now, and here and now Google has committed all kinds of illegal deeds and they are being allowed to get away with it. US authorities were lobbied by Google to be lenient. The US anti-trust investigation into Google just closed and all Google got was a very small punishment.

        Let’s hope the EU people have more brains and balls and give Google a much, much stiffer punishment.

        • correct says:


        • Marc Aurel says:

          Google’s IMAP implementation does not support IMAP_IDLE, but otherwise it’s standard enough to be accessed with standard IMAP clients without problems. I have tried several over the years. So what’s the big problem?

          As for CardDAV/CalDAV — do you have to pay money to Google in order to implement clients syncing with them on Google’s servers or are the specs not available anywhere (free or otherwise)? If not either, I don’t really see any problem; if the specs are available for free, non-standard implementation is a minor nuisance. Besides, if standard compliant clients can sync without issue (like with Gmail IMAP unless you absolutely need direct push, which hardly anyone actually needs), it’s not even that.

          • ULTIMATEANTITROLL says:

            All I hear from you is “waaa waaa waaa, I don’t want to pay license fees so lets shit on Microsoft”.

            ActiveSync is almost industry standard because almost EVERYONE uses it. Google meanwhile always wants something for nothing. They bought Android then modified it without paying for the patents that Android copied. Then they gave away Android for free without proper license. Google ILLEGALLY flooded the market, and is now ILLEGALLY using their monopoly position to prevent full function of Youtube on Windows Phone as well as preventing their Maps from being accessed completely. Plus their move of dropping ActiveSync support just shows they are cheap evil scoundrels who don’t want to pay the license fee.

            Karma will soon come for Google, it’s only a matter of time.

    • MF says:

      This is not so much about Microsoft’s past or even Microsoft itself. What is far worse is that Google’s actions are highly discriminatory and targeted at penalizing Windows Phone users. Restricting access in such a manner is clearly an abuse of its market position. I view this as a direct affront to me as an end-user. I do not understand why people are still rooting for Google despite clear signs that it is turning into a monster and a far greater threat than Microsoft has ever been. “Don’t be evil” is a charade to hide their near absolute monopoly on crucial services.

      To those who kept saying “I have no pity for Microsoft” or “serves them right for what they have done”, I say that what is wrong is wrong, no matter whom the perpetrator is, and whom the victim is. You are merely using this as an excuse for your own lack of principles and blinded by your own prejudices. In the end, I don’t care about Microsoft or Google but I want choices and I want a healthy marketplace competition. Sadly, unless the regulators step in, I don’t see very bright future for choices or competition in a Google-dominated world.

      • Noki says:

        Agree, monopolies are bad. This type of action if true is bad.
        I just wish true intervention is real for wen for example Microsoft is caught doing far worse things…

      • arts says:

        You are merely using this as an excuse for your own lack of principles and blinded by your own prejudices.


      • correct says:

        Because people are sheep, that’s why they’re rooting for Google.

      • Deep Space Bar says:

        this is what microsoft gets for blocking off everyone’s ability to install another browser on the win8 tabs… more on actual reasons,leading to this….

    • Deep Space Bar says:

      yessssssssssssssss :D +1000000000000000

  7. RVM says:

    Funny how Microsoft got what they deserved. Anyone remember how they purposely provided broken MSN page to Opera users ?

    Anyway, i hope this will be solved, for the good of Nokia. And we should better start to use Vimeo, Dailymotion or Metacafe.

  8. Chandan says:

    All happen due to nokia WP strategy.IF nokia works for google then this problem will not comes ?

  9. qromodynmc says:

    Damn Google,I never trusted to them..

  10. yasu says:

    Maybe Google did wake up.

    That’s the kind of stuff that may happen when you get into a so-called War Of Ecosystems™.

    • Noki says:

      Think Google should have bought Nokia and not Motorola for the patent wars, maybe it will buy Nokia as well, dough Nokia as already gave Microsoft its patent pool litigation rights apparently.

      • MF says:

        You seem to think Google should have bought everything – Nokia, maybe Facebook, Twitter, Instagram… what else would fulfil your fantasy of dominion?

        • Noki says:

          Was just thinking strategically from Google POV Motorola was much weaker from a patent pool POV.

          As I said I don’t like any sort of monopoly and would have preferred a independent Nokia, to a Microsoft subsidiary Nokia we have now.

          • tom says:

            If Google had tried to buy Nokia, it would have been too costly and most likely blocked by US/EU. At the end, given the cash, Motorola losses and tax breaks Google got, cash from settop division sale, they paid less than 2 billion for Moto. With Nokia, Google had to deal with huge employee count and cost associated with laying off people in EU/Europe.

            • Marc Aurel says:

              Depends on what time frame you are thinking. In Q1 2011 Nokia was still too big in smartphones, but by Q4 the situation was already much different. Google could have easily just kept the patents and smartphone division. Samsung, LG or one of the Chinese companies probably would have been willing to take the feature phones for a reasonable price off their shoulders.

          • migo says:

            Google bought Motorola so Motorola wouldn’t sue other Android manufacturers. It was a defensive acquisition, not an offensive one.

      • Viipottaja says:

        “dough Nokia as already gave Microsoft its patent pool litigation rights apparently.”

        can you elaborate on that part?

        • Noki says:

          cant post links apparently MNB is not letting me 2, but the patents nokia gave to Mosaic were before that licensed to Microsoft. so Mosaic could not target WP using phones or Microsoft….

          • Viipottaja says:

            Ok, clearer. Not much unusual, afaik, strategic partners cross licensing patents to each other, no? I also assume those are a small fraction of Nokia’s massive patent pool.

            • Noki says:

              Remains to be seen and Nokia alienated alot more to other patent troll companies in similar “deals”…. Microsoft won here the biggest patent portfolio in the market for free.
              I’m sure this will never be investigated but to me it was one of the worse “crimes” perpetuated against nokia.

              Google bought Motorola just for their patent portfolio, Microsoft got nokia IP for free.

              • Toni says:

                Erm…I am not entirely sure how much sillyness there can be in the world, but you certainly have reached certain threshold I thought was impassable. Congratulations.

                If Nokia transfers its patents to an independent company which transfers back all the assets it gets through licensing fees, I fail to see how that is alienation, rather a more aggressive use of patent portfolio.

                Moreover, through Motorola acquisition Google got exclusive right to all the patents of Motorola. If Microsoft got free-of-licensing-fees deal with Nokia for all of the Nokia patents (which I doubt as there hardly is any use for most of the patents for Microsoft) it still cannot prevent Nokia from gaining revenue from its patents through licensing deals with others or by using those patents itself. There is quite a difference there and that’s why Microsoft pays a billion a year to Nokia in “licensing fees” whereas Google paid 12 billion upfront.

                • Noki says:

                  “Microsoft pays a billion a year to Nokia” are you sure Microsoft pays a billion a year to Nokia? or rather that Microsoft paid a billion to Nokia…
                  thats it.

                  “Mosaid is splitting the licensing revenues from the deal with Nokia and Microsoft. According to The Globe and Mail, Mosaid’s share will be about one-third. (No word on the Microsoft and Nokia percentages.)”

                  So it does not sound exactly like you described does it???

                • Noki says:

                  I will admit however that my comment up there is highly speculative, and I’m not sure of the details.
                  Its mostly my suspicion, as I suspect that most of this patent trolls are in fact Microsoft puppet corporations.

            • Jiipee says:

              I agree with you, I dont believe MS is controlling the majority of Nokia’s patent portfolio. Still it would be difficult to take back some actions, if Nokia decided to switch direction.

              Btw cant help myself. It is only Nokia talking about strategic partnership. Micrisoft reps have never ever used that term. At best they woukd be strategic partner to MS mobile division. Unfortunately Samsung is a lot closer being strategic partner. Their MS offering is lot broader than Nokia’s. Just read eg reports from last tech events where Win8 was presented.

              • Viipottaja says:

                Oh that may well be – in most strategic partnerships one of the partners is more strategicly important to the other than the other way around. :) Btw, just out of curiosity as it may not matter much: did even Nokia call MS a strategic partner (I mean using those exact words?

                Regarding those particular patents – I guess at least in principle the free (?) licence to MS could be time-limited and/or contingent on a continued Nokia-MS deal on WP?

              • Noki says:

                Yes I’m not 100% sure what is going on but its smells fishy. Its common knowledge that nokia biggest asset was its IP portfolio. Microsoft clearly as interest in it as any company out there, I’m not sure if Nokia best interest were cared for, news suggest IMO they were not. But I admit I don’t know the full scope of the IP deals.

  11. Ruben says:

    this may be very bad for nokia. And it is. User’s won’t buy WP products if there is no youtube and gmail… youtube is the fatal app if missing.

    i was wondering about WP but this makes me consider… as it makes a lot of people.

    Nokia, what are you going to do?

    • BS says:

      Nothing is stopping me from buying lumia620

    • Marc Aurel says:

      Gmail works through IMAP access. You won’t get immediate push email, but hardly any consumer needs that anyways. Companies can still buy ActiveSync access to Gmail. Nokia could also implement CardDAV and CalDAV for contacts and calendar syncing in a separate app, or Microsoft could do it themselves. The standards are free so they just need to allocate the developer resources to do it (trivial for Microsoft, a bit more difficult for Nokia in its current state, but still quite possible).

  12. javier says:

    I remember, was already then an Opera user!
    I feel sorry for WP and Nokia users, but not for microsoft.

    By the way, isn`t Expedia owned by Microsoft?

  13. PvtHard says:

    Heeeii.. Could you be more specific, I mean you can use gmail and youtube on several client apps. Metrotube is really good youtube client. So I can watch youtube with my wp.

  14. jammy says:

    Well it shows that google don’t want WP ecosystem to grow, they feel threatened from WP OS, because they know that Microsoft can go all out to promote it’s mobile OS, and it will diminish the sale of android phones…… Apple isn’t much of rival to google as, they release only high end smartphone which targets highend customers, who are eager to spend big bucks for purchasing phones, but android rules due to many low end smartphones out there from different manufacturers, and it’s this market where google feels threatened from WP OS, as many WP OEM’s are also launching low end smartphones which could affect Google’s domination in mobile OS, and will again make it dependent on Microsoft for getting data for it’s ad based searching which is it’s main revenue stream………. But if google will continue to be stubborn then Microsoft can also help in developing new video site which can rival Youtube, google should remember example of XBOX gaming consoles, which Now rivals PS3 and Nintendo’s Wii in big way………

  15. incognito says:

    So, one dickward is whining that the other dickward is using the exact same strategy the first dickward has been using for ages (limiting API access in this case). And then fans of the first dickward are fighting with fans of the second dickward all over the interwebs. Most amusing…

    Let me grab a bowl of popcorn… This will be hilarious!

    • who knows says:

      Except the one dickward has been seriously punished by FTC and EU while the other dickward has so far been free to do as it/he/she sees fit.

      • Patata says:

        But it took more than a decade until the first dickward was punished at all, so the second should get a few more years to do as they fit too ;)

      • incognito says:

        All in good time, all in good time. Google had a free pass as an underdog for quite a while, but they are not an underdog anymore, and the snowflake of ‘do no evil’ has evaporated a long time ago.

        If something pisses me off when it comes to Google is that you never know where you are with them – with Microsoft at least you you know, they’ll try to stab you in the back at the first opportunity, it’s their nature, but Google has been far shadier than that. They carefully examined the Microsoft’s road to dominance and did their best not to repeat the same mistakes, but Microsoft has been, obviously, a great influence on the way Google developed.

        Unfortunately, when you travel the same road others did before you, even if you avoid the potholes, you’ll inevitably reach the same destination. In better shape, tho, and with far more certainty, but the destination is the same. Choosing between Microsoft and Google is like trying to select a lesser evil – the former is openly as such, the latter a bit shady, but evil is evil nonetheless.

        Disclaimer: Take the words like ‘evil’ lightly, a virtual entity like company cannot have human traits, but that doesn’t mean their actions cannot ‘do’ evil. But, as long as we, the customers and the like, enable them – we have no right to complain.

        • Noki says:

          such a pleasure reading your comments :)

          • ULTIMATEANTITROLL says:

            Of course it’s a pleasure, birds of a feather flock together! Trolls of the same kind sleep under the same bridge.

            You anti-Nokia trolls make me sick! You’re not Nokia fans, you never were. You’re simply misguided foolish fans of Meego and Symbian *systems*, not of Nokia itself.

        • Ere oli aliarvostettu says:

          People like to consider companies evil and it’s not that unusual to see how someone eagerly waits for some corporate leader to die. It was not so long ago when someone here wanted to see how some manager from Nokia would actually die.

          This is actually extremely strange. At the same time when people in many western countries cry out how barbaric it’s to give death sentences, people from those countries would like to see people actually die because they don’t like the products those companies are making.

          Sometimes this applies to celebrating death.

          I was just reading some article about the death of Steve Jobs and on the comments section there were several people openly glad about his death. People were actually celebrating the death of Steve Jobs! Now how strange is it to love to see someone to die a horrible death and publicly announce that love?

          This is incredible!

          People should remember that companies working on same business are practically equal what it comes to hurting the world. Apple is not any better compared to Nokia. Google is not any more evil than Microsoft and Nokia is not trying to make the world a better place any more than any other company working on mobile phones.

          We are dealing with companies.

        • who knows says:

          This I can agree with. I would however like to say that it has been some time since Microsoft committed an ‘evil’ act. If FTC and/or EU will continue to let Google slip by unpunished for its proprietary lock-ins Microsoft will however go back to the old ways.

    • Keith too says:

      Microsoft used to be as bad as Google but not since the antitrust case. If the regulators are going to allow Google to be so blatantly anti-competitive then Microsoft should start blocking Google services on Windows because right now Google is throwing all the daggers and Microsoft is afraid to throw any back.

  16. Viipottaja says:

    Might be just a temporary glitch but:

    When trying to go to you get redirected to the mobile search page. Apparently links to specific google maps searches (E.g. sent to you in an email) don’t work either.

    • spacemodel says:

      That’s not a good sign either.
      Google Maps, Gmail and YouTube are so common household names nowadays, as an OS like WP you really need those apps or otherwise it’s a very good reason for not buying it.
      Google knows this, we saw the ‘panic’ in the iOS world when first YouTube wasn’t available right out of the box and later with the Maps fiasco.
      I know there are alternatives but people want the real thing and not some workaround which stop working every now and then when the API or something else is changed.

    • Mark says:

      Still works in desktop view on my 820. Mobile redirects to the main Google site.

      Haven’t used Google Maps since I bought the 820 though so no biggie.

    • javier says:

      and the full Google Maps site doesn’t work on symbian either, but that’s not news.. according to Gizmodo and the Verge it never did (it’s only for webkit-based browsers).
      You can google search for an address though and if you click in “places” it will show you a static map pinpointing the place.

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  18. Sefriol says:

    I have always worried that Google is getting too much power. Day after day it seems that they are going to be even worse than MS. MS had a huge control over PC market, but Google controls so much more. Android, Chromebook, Chrome, Google search, Gmail, Google+, Youtube, Google Docs, Google fiber and so on. They also have huge patent portfolio and Motorola which might be a huge deal if they produce Google Glasses…
    In the near future we might have Technology Monopoly made by Google. That’s never a good thing.

  19. belle and jolla beat lumia 920 says:

    good news to wp8 fanboys

  20. Dr.Smart says:

    Come on. You can go to Bing Video (lol). So much for the integrated vertical eco-system Elop has been touting.

    • Dr.Smart says:

      It’s really funny and ironic that people who deliberately chose a proprietary closed smartphone platform (ecosystem) called WP phones would accuse the other side as closed.

      Be at least consistent! You people (WP lovers) want vertically integrated closed one-company control-everything kinda ecosystem. Then live with the fact that other eco-system might not be compatible.

      • Ere oli aliarvostettu says:

        Open may not be open after all.

        Nokia was claiming that MeeGo was truly open OS while Android was not. However when Nokia had to give up with MeeGo, it was revealed that the software they delivered with the N9 was actually closed source for some very critical parts.

        It’s not possible to compile usable MeeGo for the N9. Nokia was really lying about how open MeeGo was. That’s how honest they were with MeeGo.

        Fortunately it’s not about how open something is but what you can do with it. That’s why WP may succeed.

        • Dr.Smart says:

          You are confused with many different things my friend.

          I’m referring to open and inter-operable standards pertaining to web/services as opposed to the copyright status of the source code per se. As for the source code per se, you have more or less open options such as lgpl in which case you don’t have to disclose the source code.

          My beef is with the MS/Nokia, Apple, Google and the likes trying to build walled gardens with which they want to restrict choices.

          • Ere oli aliarvostettu says:

            You should just tell us what you are talking about. That’s how people will know what you have in mind.

            Restricting choices?

            Nothing new in this. That’s how almost everything works. Just look at nature.

            That’s everywhere.

      • nn says:

        Not only that, but WP fans were happy to point out that things like office runs only on WP, or that others don’t have integration with Xbox. After all the ecosystem idea is nothing more than attempt to lock people into MS services and APIs and deprive them of the chance to move out.

        I guess any time now MS is going to release all their services, programs and apps ported to Android, MeeGo and Linux, just to prove their suddenly found love for openness and interoperability.

        • Mark says:

          You’re right. MS deliberately prevent other software like Libre Office or Quick Office opening MS Docs.

          Oh wait they don’t!

          Argument busted! :)

          • nn says:

            Actually, yes they do. And they do that as consciously chosen policy to stop others from correctly reading and interpreting their files.

  21. Mathias says:

    What’s wrong with Google? First they delete the official YouTube client from Nokia Store for Nokia Belle phones, and then they block access to YouTube on Windows Phone devices. :/

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