Carla not cancelled because it is FP1
Back in February, when Ali showed us a hands on of the 808 in the firmware we saw that what we were presented as Belle FP1 seemed to have been none other than Carla.
Most recently in a Q&A with a Nokia person, they said that FP1 is Carla too.
One can say that Symbian FP1 and Symbian Belle Carla or this latest update will be released in the coming months?
Then: Carla is no longer a name we use. FP1 is pretty much that was once called Carla.
http://mynokiablog.com/2012/05/23/symbian-road-map-redefined-fp1-is-carla-n8-to-get-both-fp1-fp2/
As final confirmation in case some people are still missing the point, Nokia has also apparently contacted GSM Arena to confirm Carla is NOT cancelled and that it is simply renamed to FP1.
http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_confirms_that_carla_update_for_symbian_is_not_cancelled-news-4298.php
So many will it-won’t it news -_-.
Cheers Mapantz and Ritesh for the tip.
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Not cool at all elop,accucent,nokia
It’s Accenture!
You are so un-cool!
-_-
What are you talking about now? Why is this bad that it isn’t cancelled? Or does something in one way or another have to be an elop problem.
Jay, if you remember correctly, CARLA was planned as an update with the renewed QWERTY keyboard similar to WP7, a new lock screen, and UI changes. This might come in FP2, but I don’t see any promises for future updates. I read a while back on these comment boards that the remaining work force of Symbian at Accenture is 120. How long before those get sacked too? If wp8 is a hit, all the more reason for Nokia to abandon symbian customers,consider that as the final nail in the coffin for the amazing symbian operating system..
Carla was always FP1. SW of 2nd half of 2011. Donna should be out to testers mid-to-late summer, and that’s what FP2 is
To be honest, I will be happy if they don’t bring WP keyboard in Symbian. I didn’t like the layout. There are much needed keys missing aka not in direct access.
Can I ask what you don’t like? I see only “/! missing from the default view, otherwise WP keyboard has switchable layouts right from the keyboard, and you can press the alfa/shift and hold it down while you slide to the right character in order to type a single special character or digit (ie when you release it switches back to what it was). And it’s context sensitive (you get “@” when typing an email address, etc)
I never use it so what I said is entirely based on what I saw in clips and pictures. I know Jay and Ali likes it very much so I am not sure how much will I like it. But I am also missing the arrow keys too. I don’t have layout at the moment but I had a very close look of WPs keyboard when I was working on to a concept for on-screen keyboards a while back.
Windows Phone keyboard is superior compare to the Symbian default keyboard not sure why people would really pick it over that. Belle helped a lot, but clearly not enough.
I don’t care as long as I keep my T9 keyboard. Unlike most people, I love typing with that keyboard. Portrait querty just does not fit my fingers. I have a Lumia 710 and I have used Swype. Nothing beats T9 for me.
True, but t9 in symbian3 is messed up… after typing a word, if i move the cursor back to the word to change it, i can’t do it anymore. It was so simple and flexible in s60v5. they had to fix something which wasn’t broken..
I agree, that is messed up. However, I can live with that. For me it is still better than qwerty.
This is hilarious.
This is like the coolest EVER lol. Jay, your posts
It is 2016 then
.. Nice trick played NOKIA. Nice trick !
Pretty much? So its a bug fix. Thanks Elop.
You think FP1 over Belle was simply a bug fix? Have you seen how different it is?
I think, that from now on, we get bug fixes, and no forward looking developements and features.
But thats ok, I’m still going to buy the 808(for my wife, she wouldn’t take my iPhone 4S). Theres no app for PureView, and the OS has looked good for a long time, and while I’m not sure if it has any longer battery life, I believe that if any smart phone has longer lasting battery, its gotta be Symbian. I value battery life more, than any other OS feature. We went to our local phone retailer, and they said that its coming next week.
Where is your retailer!?
Please reply, thx
DNA
i didnt.. guess why? still waiting for fp1 to my 701 in germany..
I tried the 701 and the speed was fast, no lags while scrolling menus, touch response was instant and smooth. I was really impressed with Belle on 701. Will FP1 Belle make the 701 scrolling smoother or maybe on par with Galaxy Nexus?
fp1 is already out for 701
long back
i have a 700 and i haven’t recived the update yet :/
Test.
Something is not right here…
exactly what i said
@Jay : I am really, really, really sorry but I do not buy the story. May I post my take on the situation? Thanks for your patience and kind consideration.
You don’t buy what story?
IMO: Nokia Belle FP1 being the REAL Nokia Carla.
I think it is a sensible move and when I read it on gsm earlier that Carla is cancelled I said no, it is FP2 or 1 without the sugar-coated name. It is good because Bella made quite a name to the level of branding itself. Keeping it this way is better. Besides everyone was saying that Nokia is now copying Android in constant renaming their updates.
I’m a glass is half full type of guy and what I think Nokia is doing is simply awesome. The fact that the N8 is still getting updates is outstanding. Why anyone would complain is beyond me. I bought the N8 to last me until it falls apart. Hopefully past 2016. Yes I will eventually get a red 808. It is an ground breaking phone, a true smartphone, and if anyone says otherwise, they are simply single minded, IMHO. Having choices in different OS’s is always good for the consumer. The N8 and the 808 are the only phones out of all available phones that makes me excited. I commend Nokia for doing what they are doing even with all the hate coming from the US bloggers. And yes I live in the US, but am traveling abroad at the moment. Nokia didn’t have to update the N8 or other S^3 phones. They could of left it pre-Anna and I still would love the N8 with all of it’s quirks. But it is way better, no doubt. I love this blog and I love Nokia for being different no matter what the outcome of their future might be.
P.S. yes I have used an android phone and messed around with the iphone. But I don’t want to be connected to the web all the time or upload to the “cloud”. My opinion. It’s not for me thank you.
I am a glass always full guy. One half full of air, one half full of water. There are always two sides to a story, and sometimes even three, or even more.
When you care enough to read, please do, but if not, then ignore my post.
This is my theory, my point of view, and my opinion on the matter:
That Italian guy is lying and the rest of Nokia is telling the truth;
BUT ALSO PROBABLE
That Italian guy is telling the truth and the rest of Nokia is lying.
Sometimes FACTS are stranger than FICTION.
I wouldn’t be surprised, because the same situation HAS HAPPENED BEFORE.
I found this:
https://twitter.com/stevelitchfield/status/205968955121205248
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This is no guarantees news, only a rumor unless verified by various sources.
Smoke and mirrors.
I, too, smell something fishy. This move is very suspicious. I think they are trying to cover up loose lips. The cat is already out of the bag. I’d love to believe otherwise but in the light of the events it’s hard to trust Nokia’s CEO and BOD now.
Of course it wouldn’t make sense. Nokia’s lying again. About Symbian. For Windows Phone. Symbian’s loss is Microsoft’s gain but not necessarily equitable to Nokia’s gain as well, might even be the cause of the demise of the once great and admired Nokia that we once knew of, my dear friend.
Here is my take:
1.) MAYBE they were really working on Nokia Carla; then
2.) MAYBE they CANCELLED the devices for Nokia Carla to pinch pennies in favor of Windows Phone 7.5 / Windows Phone 8; then
3.) MAYBE they also CANCELLED the devices for Nokia Donna that runs DUAL CORE for the same reason above; thus
4.) MAYBE to save bad publicity they DECIDE to call Nokia Belle FP1 as “Nokia Carla” and Nokia Belle FP2 as “Nokia Donna” WITHOUT committing to DUAL CORE. Think of it as a RETCON (Retroactive Continuity). Trying to cover up their gaffe by REMAKING their Nokia Symbian Development Path.
Reason? To avoid bad PR, to promote current Symbian devices AND MOST IMPORTANT to FREE UP RESOURCES in favor of Windows Phone.
It has been done before to Nokia N8 and Nokia N9.
Nokia, don’t think we don’t know what you’re trying to do.
There is no secret that can be kept hidden forever.
I say it is a load of bull. Nokia, don’t you think we are not keeping an eye on you? Do you think we’ll let you off the hook that easy? You have been caught many times before lying between your teeth. You have been caught with your pants down. Admit your faux pas, the cat’s out of the bag. DELIVER YOUR ORIGINAL PROMISED SYMBIAN DEVELOPMENT PATH!!!
I am pretty sure Belle FP2 will not be exactly the same as Donna was going to be, if the dual core Symbian phones have been canceled, as now seems likely. As for the rest of your speculation; maybe, maybe not. Nokia never announced what features Carla was going to have, so it’s entirely possible that Belle FP1 really is more or less the same as Carla was going to be. WP style keyboard etc. were just rumors, not something confirmed by Nokia.
that’s exactly what i’m thinking.Once again nokia change their plans :/
When did Nokia EVER announce specifics regarding future updates i.e. names of the updates(not including Anna and Belle), what each update would contain, etc.? When did Nokia ever state that they would produce dual core devices running Symbian? Links only please!
Of course they did not announce specifics. However, we do know from various leaks that the dual core devices were real and still being developed last year. But if your point is that Nokia has broken no promises, you are absolutely right.
Why do you think Nokia keeps updating old Symbian devices? To give one less reason to current Symbian users to upgrade their phones to newer Symbian models, therefore depressing Symbian phone sales and justifying their phasing out in favour of Windows Phone devices.
Hi @ all,
here the newest FP1 version (112.020.0308) running on the 808: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=yhCR-oAQ2Kk#t=2m06s
Aftrer all this idiotic things like killing MeeGo and killing Symbina – it is difficoult to trust Nokia. But this is good news, perhaps Nokia remeber yet from what they live and what makes money.
Yes I should be delighted, but there is something in the air that don’t let me enjoy it. Perhaps this Microsoft infiltration.
+1
Funny how there are only about 600k of us North American Symbian users, yet we as a whole get called the assholes. Eat me. This Yankee got his N8 last May and liked it so much I got my Dad one, then my step mom bought one on her own accord. I haven’t regretted any part of that. I’ve done all I can to promote Nokia and Symbian, like a Mormon Missionary, but half as annoying.
There are plenty of bloggers and ones who leave comments on this blog that bash Symbia who aren’t ‘Stupid Americans.’ So don’t point fingers and blame a whole nation for bashing an OS a killing it’s sales. Nokia did advertise in the US ( except the C7 Astound on T*Mobile)
I think there are actually more than 600k North American Symbian users even if we don’t include Mexico, which geographically is part of North America
Symbian was a lot more popular in Canada than in the US, and while that popularity disappeared years ago, there still must be a fairly large number of S60 3rd and 5th Edition phones being used in Canada.
didn’t* except for.
I love using Symbian and i’ve enjoyed watching S^3 evolve from a S60v5 looking stiff, to to fluid “better than Gingerbread” of its Belle release, in such a short time period too. Nokia’s official release of FP1 and 2 for N8 should be good, though I would hope the rest of the S^3 and Anna handsets get it too.
What bothers me about the roadmap isn’t the language change, but that Donna was going to bring support for dual core processors. So I guess it really is getting canned.
Well, maybe a whole lot of us can learn to write for Symbian and shove it into a dual core device with ARM architecture.
Symbian will live on and there are many Americans that will be apart of that movement.
Test…
mobigyaan . com/nokia-carla-is-not-belle-fp1-and-will-arrive-after-fp2
mynokiablog . com/2012/03/23/speculations-carla-might-not-be-featurepack1-or-even-featurepack2/
mynokiablog . com/2012/02/10/update-on-nokia-carla-bug-report/
mynokiablog . com/2012/02/28/nokia-belle-fp1-is-nokia-carla-v112-with-nokia-browser-8-2-so-carla-for-603-700-701/
BUT
developer.nokia.com/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=862
“Ever since We first got hint that Carla was being tested internally on Nokia’s developers Bug report I’ve made it my business to pop in every now and then to check on things; but then the 808 happened and everyone assumed that Belle FP1 was codename for Carla in disguise; but today I popped into the developers site for a bit of site seeing (even though I should be studying) and I found another bug report filed for Carla, the actual bug isn’t that interesting but what is interesting is that the reporter calims that this bug WAS NOT PRESENT IN FP2 But is present in Carla, which by the laws of logic would mean that Carla is not FP1 or even FP2.” – Ali
yeah you right
“N_bug 2012-03-14 14:19:32 EET
CTelephony::GetCurrentNetworkInfo() is behaving erratically on
Carla devices, in older versions like fp2 it works well , I tested this
simultaneously on Carla and fp2 device using same operator simcard , fp2
devices were able to report networkname which means the info was present in the
signal . but Carla couldnt.”
what does that mean?????
I think either nokia fucking killed of carla and started to name carla fp1 now and donna fp2. But how crap are nokia becoming! killing symbian the way they are doing now is not gonna help nokia at all because without symbian nokia would have dead by now!
If elop handeled he’s speech better and not kill symbian and meego like that nokia would have been in a far better position now even with WP as their platform.
Lastly why did nokia change their name schemes? Symbian PR 2.0> Symbioan Belle> Nokia Belle and now back to a nokia belle fp1????? wtf?
somethings not right
I hate to admit but it seems Nokia is telling lies now.
Judging from the logs, Carla is clearly cancelled and it’s not FP2 as what been claimed :S
So.. Symbian is really pretty much dead, how disheartening.
Well I’m going to buy 808 anyway, it might be the only Nokia phone that equipped with 41MP sensor because Nokia already said they won’t be putting same sensor on WP “anytime soon”, which I think they won’t be doing it.
My guess is that Windows Phone coders will never be able to successfully support Pureview, so one of these things will happen:
1. Future Pureviews will still run on Symbian.
2. Future Pureviews will run on WP but never work properly.
3. Nokia will go bust before another Pureview comes out.
Intermission to release some tension.
http://www.developer.nokia.com/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=763
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http://www.developer.nokia.com/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=862#c2
look at sofware version of the device used in the test beside the Carla/Belle FP1 name . The FP2 in bug report 862 is killing me, because it is suggesting there is FP2 before Belle FP 1 . I come to the conclusion which goes like this There was first Symbian ^3 then Symbian Anna (FP1),then Nokia Belle (FP2), Nokia Belle FP1 (Nokia Carla)& Nokia Belle FP2 (Nokia Donna)
the naming conversion. started with S^3 PR1.0 (Public Release version 1.0) adding PR1.1 & PR1.2. The new variant of S^3 released as PR2.0, known as Anna. From this point it appears they are not calling them Public Release, nor Symbian to separate the stigm of Nokia and Symbian from being bad. However, Belle has been referred to as PR3.0.
Belle and Anna, to a lessor degree, were large enough differences from S^3 to get new names. Now onto the Feature Packs.
FP1 is not so different from Belle. FP1 might as well been called PR3.1, but this ‘isn’t’ symbian any more so the naming is different. it adds new content and updates SoC clocks, web browser, etc. Using the name “Belle Refresh” works, though is similar to Mango 7.5 Refresh ( Nokia is a WP OEM now, so I get it.) same deal with FP2. PR3.2, is what it would have been called.
What of Carla? It can’t be PR4, Nokia avoids 4s. So Carla wasn’t really supposed to be that different, but would add/ update features. Kinda like Anna to S^3, though, it did look a lot different. Anna was not a game changer like Belle. I remember mobile stating Carla and Belle were sisters, but that Donna was a different gal all together.
It is quite possible that Nokia Donna isn’t Symbian. That lot of the framework, the Qt, PureView, all of the auxiliary work would reused on a new OS kernel. One that allows for higher resolutions, dualcore, possibly even non ARM architecture, SoCs with different GPUs.
This could be the whole Meltimi/S40/MeeGo transition.
So food for thought. I hadn’t read anyone scepticize in this direction yet.
I like your idea. It could be possible that the Donna devices (higher res screen and dual core support) are still in the pipeline that could possibly run a different os than symbian while maintaining the look and feel of the belle phones.
The hint about belle and carla likened to sisters and donna being completely different got me thinking.
This all looks simply too weird…. If Carla and FP1 have always been the same thing, why weren’t they kind enough to mention it before ?… Now they seem to be merging names to hide the SHAME… Will they later say FP2 equals Donna? I smell the horrid odor of broken promises around. I hope you play nice Nokia.
http://www.developer.nokia.com/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=862#c2 .
“I tested
this
simultaneously on Carla and fp2
device using same operator
simcard , fp2
devices were able to report
networkname which means the info
was present in the
signal . but Carla couldnt “
look at bug report date FN_bug ” 2012-03-14 14:19:32 EET “
I wonder why they change their naming so frequently. First N/E/X/C to 3 digits, then ^1 ^3 ^4 to Anna/Belle/Carla/Donna, and now Carla to FP1. This is not what a mature company should do.
First Symbian^3, then Symbian Belle, then Nokia Belle, and now it’s dead!
I think Nokia was a genuinely cool company when they came out with the first Symbian/EPOC Communicator way back in 2001. Now they’re a bloody zombie dinosaur lurching about, roaring and spewing infected blood, just waiting for a shot to the head to end its suffering.
I’d say this is about two things:
- One being that Nokia is obviously ramping Symbian down faster than they expected in 2011. This was made clear in Q1/2012 earnings release, due to lack of demand for Symbian. Sure, it is also at least partially due to Nokia’s failure to transition smoothly away from Symbian. So, for this reason there will probably be less Symbian devices this year than was supposed to. Maybe even the 808 and Vertu Constellation Candy the last?
- Now, because there won’t be distinctive families of Symbian devices this year (we assume), it makes less sense to announce new brand-names for Symbian devices. Carla and Donna were leaks, not publicized by Nokia. So, they stick to the Belle brand that has now somewhat been able to replace the plagued Symbian brand when discussing the latest Nokia Symbian phones. By using FP1 and FP2 instead (an age-old Symbian naming convention at Nokia no less), they can stick to the Nokia Belle brand. Think of Belle now a bit like Lumia and Asha. So, Nokia has Asha devices, Belle devices, Lumia devices… Of course they also have some others, but you get the idea. Using the Belle name avoids talking about the plagued Symbian. Nokia Belle is a pretty okay brand.
So, I see this about sure 1) ramping down Symbian device manufacturing but also 2) about boosting the Nokia Belle brand for the remaining Symbian devices. I don’t think this necessarily means we are not getting Carla and Donna, or big parts of them. I think whatever Nokia had in the labs will continue to trickle down to existing Belle devices (and whatever new Symbian’s Nokia might theoretically still release) over the come year or two. And then bugfixes until 2016. But yes, it also probably means there won’t be any major Symbian device families released in the future, just a few individual devices maybe?
That’s my take on it, whatever it is worth.
Yep I get ya. I’m waiting for the announcement of Nokia 605.
It would be weird though to introduce belle fp2 for a midrange device (605, if the os of course would run symbian).
I’m jut guessing though that the 605 might introduce belle fp2.
Belle was introduced for midrange devices as well. While nice, the 701 with a 3.5″ nHD screen, 8 MP EDoF camera and single-core 1 GHz processor (before FP1) was hardly a high end device in 2011. The high end device to complement the Nokia Belle devices (originally intended to run the abandoned Symbian^4) was the N9.
The 605 was probably intended to launch with the dual core devices and second-generation MeeGo phones; the dual-core Symbian phones most likely got canceled and the MeeGo phone hardware reconfigured to run WP 8.
Dammit Nokia, where’s the E7 replacement? A proper Communicator Symbian… we need a replaceable battery, microSD and 2mm charging.
I don’t particularly care for the 808′s big camera hump but I do need a well built Qwerty device that will last me the next few years.
Forget about the 2mm charger, phone manufacturers agreed years ago to migrate to a unified USB charging socket. Nokia is just putting that agreement in effect.
Many recent Nokia phones (even some cheap Series 40 ones) have dual charging option. Eventually the 2 mm charger plug will be phased out completely, but at this stage it still makes sense to include it, because people have many of those chargers laying around. The E7 apparently did not have room for it.
I’m not seeing the conspiracy theory here. When Nokia went from ‘Symbian Anna’ to drop “Symbian” in ‘Nokia Belle’, Belle became the new OS branding. There was obviously enough early positive buzz about leaks and previews of Belle that they knew the name had a positive connotation linked to it. So to dump all that goodwill and start all over again with Nokia Carla doesn’t make sense. The blogosphere isn’t either going to get confused or criticize Nokia for trying to reinvent themselves over and over again.
If the OS had been kept as Symbian Belle, then I think Symbian Carla would have been a reasonable change, but otherwise Belle FP1 represents as much of a change as you need to show that the OS is still being innovated.