Leak or Fake: Press pics – Nokia Lumia 920 with PureView, Nokia Lumia 820
Tweeted by @evleaks are supposedly upcoming Nokia Lumia handsets. We can’t be sure if these are real or fake.
First up, looking familiar to pics of the Nokia Arrow, a very colourful line up. Not sure about the rectangle rounded corners here.
This is followed up by what is supposedly a 4.5″ curvy screened Nokia with PureView. But there’s no hump and no xenon.
Cheers @jonjongoco for the tip!
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO…. Why ?!! I don’t understand this obsession with MASSIVE screens. I really am disappointed. Extremely. Why are they trying to emulate Android manufacturers. Most people don’t want to carry around a bloody 2×4 in their pocket. GAAAAH!! I really hope they release another high-end device with a 4″ screen. If this is not the case, this will likely be the first time I pass on a Nokia phone since the days of the 3310.
I was really hoping for 4.5 or 4.7 so I’m thrilled at this. I’m sure there will be high-end smaller devices also.
Yea I understand, of course this is my personal preference. The other issue though, as much as I would like I smaller phone, I WANT to see Nokia succeed. And I just don’t see > 4″ screens achieving mass appeal.
They should take a page out of the Apple playbook. Apple’s rumored iPhone 5 is not going to have a 4+” screen because they know this. Most average Joes are not going to buy this monstrosity no matter what the specs.
Look at the best selling Android phones from Samsung and HTC. They are not the ones with the biggest screens for sure.
Take a look at sales numbers of 4.5″ devices and up. You will fail as a company if you leave this segment out.
If they took a leaf out of Apple’s book they’d hold off adding any real technical advantage until someone else has done it first, and then charging everyone a fortune for what’s already obsolete tech compared to Android’s offerings. No thanks! I’d rather Nokia keeps pushing it’s technical and design boundaries – now they have a fresh modern OS to work with, I’m hoping we’ll see a faster stream of their research tech making the breakthrough from labs to products, like they have with PureView.
If Nokia became more Apple, I’d probably cry myself to death at the sadness of the complete selling out to a capatilist money-hungry business model who resort to trying to grow market share through litigation and not innovation. No offence, but I prefer my innovative, inspirational Nokia and not the closed wall, idea stealing ecosystem that Apple’s built itself.
C’mon now, Apple aint ALL bad, their latest MBP is without question innovate in many ways.
Don’t believe me read Anantech’s review, & he’s no Apple patsy/fanboy, far from it, he knows his shit.
There’s countless other ways they often innovate, I agree they’ve been dicks lately, but lets get some perspective.
I am keeping perpective. I don’t deny Apple comes out with good products and services if you’re happy to buy into their lifestyle, but the way it’s acting you CAN’T sepearate the legal and design/manufacture aspects of the company, and sadly Apple’s legal side is what really lets the company down. They aren’t friendly, they don’t play well with others, they’re after litigation monopolies rather than co-operation.
Apple hoards too much wealth and creates patents that are so vague at times they can easily be twisted to what they need it to be. The company doesn’t share, it sues. Regardless of the might of Google, Microsoft, Samsung or any other major player, none of them have operated in such a blinkered and uncompetitive way that Apple is acting.
Apple could be great, it just isn’t. Good products, good cash hoarding, pitiful company mentality. It’s about time Apple stopped trying to sue all their competitors and took a leaf out of it’s own arguements – time to be creative rather than pumping out incrementally updated devices. Apple could be inspirational, but at the moment it really isn’t.
Oh please, no co. is beyond reproach, it’s a reality of the modern world, & a reflection of how horridly broken the legal & patent systems are, especially in the US.
Little story about Samsung for you, who you think are so virtuous, this is written by a friend of mine whose wife is Korean:
“Samsung is a “chaebol” this means that they are a family owned
business, they have been caught more than once by koreas intelligence
agency of giving illegal political donations to influence political
decisions, they often bribe judges to persecute any journalists who
report any bad press about them in their home country Korea, the owner
was caught and fined 300 million for tax evasion and financial
wrongdoing but then the judge was suddenly part of a case of
misconduct and the charge was greatly reduced from 300million and jail
to 100million and a suspended sentence.”
Now there’s also plenty of examples out there of every other major corporation doing highly questionable things.
This particular example is more extreme, & is also a reflection of Korean society, & not necessarily representative of Samsung’s behaviour in other countries/regions.
Why? Because it has to operate within the guidelines of that country/region’s market.
There’s less wiggle-room for that sort of poor behaviour to evolve, unless the country in question has a highly corrupt legal/political system ofc.
Wow, you really are determined to twist what I say to what you think I’m saying, aren’t you? At what point did I say Samsung are virtuous? I don’t deny there’s probably a fair amount of shady business with the south-east Asian giant.
The point I’m making is that Apple is pretty much making shady business practices normal and legitimate. Samsung might have broken the law with unlawful political donations that that’s fine – the law can (at least try) to come down on them. Apple has had a growing tendency to muddle the lines between good business practice and moral and ethically questionable but still legal practices. Apple is moving away from real innovation to innovation through litigation, perhaps motivated and legitimising their actions by the undying support and love of those signed up to the Cult of Mac. And no, not all Apple users are part of the cult, but they make up a good support base who’s attitudes give credibility to Apple’s rather overly dramatic copying statements it’s been prone to regurgitating against Sammy and other rivals.
I’ll state again – I don’t deny or doubt that many companies have shady business practices, I just have exceptional issue with how Apple has manouevered itself into what they consider an acceptable business mentaility whcih I find to be completely abhorant and unprogressive. Others aren’t perfect, but they’re showing themselves to be better game players than Apple, who seems scared of competition until it’s got a monopoly.
I responded to this:
“Regardless of the might of Google, Microsoft, Samsung or any other major player, none of them have operated in such a blinkered and uncompetitive way that Apple is acting.”
If that doesn’t paint a squeaky clean image of the aforementioned co’s I don’t know what does.
Nope, no “twisting” as you put it…
Give it a rest, you sound like some kind of religious zealot, again, no company is beyond reproach.
Dig enough & you’ll find shit-loads of examples of all major CE corporations behaving in a morally reprehensible/questionable way.
To asses exactly how worse one co. is than another is impossible, not to mention pointless.
“Give it a rest, you sound like some kind of religious zealot, again, no company is beyond reproach.”
And as clearly said, I don’t consider Samsung above reproach – just that the point I’m making relates more to Apple’s current business model than SamDungs. Dig around and you’ll find all sorts of underhand things. My issue is that with Apple’s way of working the blatant hypocrisy and exaggerations to support and define the pedastal they’ve created erected for themselves under the guise of being the good guys is a complete fallacy as now they’re in ways worse than the ‘bad guys’ they claim to be against.
Apple’s come full circle and become what they claimed to be against, whereas Samsung haven’t created this level of schism between reality and company brand.
To clarify for you again – I doubt any of the telecommunication majors are above reproach for bad business practices, but I’m talking about a certain kind of behaviour of which Apple is a key perpetrator. If we want to talk about unfair business practices towards smaller players in the market then that’s an entirely different conversation and I’d be highly surprised if Samdung didn’t leverage their position as a manufacturer of mobile phone hardware to help their business dominance in Asia.
It’s called “corporate brown nosing”, they all do it, Nokia has it’s green initiatives etc…
Look believe what you want, just dont try to paint it as some kind of “reality”, I personally distrust them all equally.
What I care most about as a “consumer”, is assessing devices on the ground & whether or not they meet my needs, or a subset for more specialised scenarios.
That’s what you should be focussing on to….
“What I care most about as a “consumer”, is assessing devices on the ground & whether or not they meet my needs, or a subset for more specialised scenarios.
That’s what you should be focussing on to….”
And that is what I’m focused on. Apple’s plethora of lawsuits is a strategy manipulating the blatantly flawed patent systems to gain intellectual property rights, use them as barriers and litigate everyone to hell. It’s not a progressive attitude, and I’d give Apple a lot more credit if they used their legal might to push for reforms of the patent system, instead of lining the pockets of lawyers to make use of a system that’s really not fit for purpose any more.
ALL of the companies should band together (like Nokia, Samdung et al with their indoor positioning alliance) and create a power for good which will force the rewriting of patent law to be suitable for the tech industry of today. Very few if any of them have shown this, but Apple more so that the others seem to be keener on abusing the current system to create blockers to competition and keep the complete mess of a patent system as it is.
Nope, point totally missed once again, I’ll just asses my devices & leave the overall state of the industries in question to the experts.
Even they don’t have a handle on the full picture, as it’s immensely complex (broken), & impossible to fully quantify.
As for you, by all means continue your irrational pattern of behaviour.
I agree. I want phone that can fit into pocket. 4.3 is max. Also I dont like that there is no pureview on 4.3 model.
Zafty you’re wearing rather tight-fitting clothes if 4.3 goes to your pocket but 4.5 not. talk about small margins…
Modern skinny jeans/man jeggings that don’t leave much breathing room.
At the risk of sounding like an old fart, guys should not wear skinny jeans.
I am not even going to go into the “man jeggings”
I don’t even know what jeggings are..
Hahahaha
Hey there are people who are just short and small you insensitive sod!
I really hope it comes with Xenon… that would be a real competitive edge over competition otherwise it may mingle into crowd unnoticed.
Cheers,
Miki
True. There were some here though who claim it would be difficult to do on WP for some reason. Not sure if there is any validity to that claim.
Xenon takes lots of space, that’s pretty much all there is to it, I think. Pretty sure there’ll be a full fledged cameraphone by spring.
Well the other thing that people mention is that it’s fairly difficult to get it well synchronized with the exposure/sensor etc.
That’s done by the hardware, even the cheapest POS cameras manage to fire their flash at the right time. Some people seem to think the OS needs to fire it in some interrupt handler or some nonsense.
It’s size, price, and fragility, though a real camera flagship needs a xenon (or be so advanced it doesn’t need one to take low light picture..
Well, if IIRC it was the almighty Incognito saying that and I would not dare to challenge anything he says of course.
Feel free to challenge me, but be warned that I have an extensive experience working on RT systems and signal processing so I can fight dirty
The OS only has to instruct the camera module what to do. The final triggering and timing (and the timing for xenon is very sensitive yes but also fixed) is done by embedded code inside the module to which the flash and shutter and sensor etc are hooked up.
Do you seriously want to claim Nokia can’t manage a xenon on a WP phone – because WP is such a shit OS ? That if only they used Symbian, which can’t scroll a freaking application list without stuttering, they could set an RTimer for 1/2000th of a second later (oops Symbian high resolution timers only do 1ms resolution) to close the shutter again ?
You are right about timing and the RT requirements, but this happens on a far lower level than the OS running the device. There is tons of embedded code running all over a modern device.
It just sounds like WP bashing honestly.
Yes, WinNT can do all of that, but come the 5th, it will turn out that for some reason it did non of it for Nokia. Sort of strange since they have the technology available… no ?
To be honest… this argumentation is baseless. It just got repeated over and over again without any proof.
That’s actually true, Xenon flashes in a very short period of time (more than 1/10th of a typical LED flash) and you need to synchronize it precisely with the shutter in order to have any gains from it – which can be notoriously difficult on non-RT OSes.
In fact, it would be easier for Nokia / Microsoft do to it on a WP7 than on a WP8 – while WinCE is not an RT OS in the most strict sense of the word, it has proper time scheduling where you can at least have a guarantee that a certain instruction will be carried at a specific time – not real time, but at least you can adjust the aparatus and other delays to match the firing of the Xenon flash (of course, such solution works only for static exposure/fixed ISO but lesser cameras have fixed exposures when the flash is turned on anyways, to save on the signal processing in a HDR-like form after taking the picture).
The MinWin lineage (NT kernel + the surroundings) doesn’t have that luxury which is why, at least without heavy changes on the underlying structure, it really isn’t a structure you’d want to use on embedded devices and/or in time-critical operations without external hardware synchronization. Microsoft feels confident that at today’s hardware speeds, even on embedded systems, there is enough of wee room to overcome its shortages with cheap hardware additions where needed, but it’s not a safe bet if you ask me.
That being said, it’s not impossible to control RT-critical operations with a non-RT OS. In case of Xenon flash, all you need is an external precise timer (such chips are pennies a piece) which will fire a signal to the rest of the hardware at a precise time, and use it as an instruction delayer for the sensor/DSP and the flash itself – that way the OS will control the sensor/DSP and the flash through a proxy which would make sure they both ‘fire up’ at the same time. Have Nokia/Microsoft implemented that, yet, is a million dollar’s question – personally, color me skeptical.
I wouldn’t hold my hopes high, mainly because Microsoft is focused on getting their OS to work on readily available SOCs from Qualcomm, and Nokia would have to negotiate with them to include some of such controls on the SOC (well, technically they can do it externally, like the DSP control on the 808PV, but that takes very long time to implement). Maybe in the next generation, if they survive by then, but the upcoming generation is very unlikely to feature a proper PV implementation (including Xenon flash) – sure, they might call the technology PureView to ride on the hype wave (and possibly destroy the positive feedback in the process), but WP just isn’t ready, and requires quite a bit of additional hardware, for what the PV offers on the 808PV.
Oh, yeah, there are two other possibilities:
1) The sensor itself to have a small firmware handling control of external hardware, in this case flash, where the OS would send a signal (non-RT, but doesn’t matter) to the sensor which would then handle internally the control of the external hardware. This is a bit how it’s implemented on cheap point-and-shoots (which is why you get no exposure control and other stuff when flash is on).
2) Build a sort of co-processor with its own mean and lean RT firmware which would handle all the PV things which cannot be controlled without a RT-enabled OS. This is actually what some DSLRs are doing (the ‘OS’ representing the user interface, gallery viewer and whatever is available there is decoupled from the secondary internal ‘OS’ which actually controls the time-critical operations). If you ask me, I think Nokia will go that route to enable PV on WP8 (if they even plan to). Not just because it would be easier for them, but because then they’d have a complete control over it and Microsoft wouldn’t need to change anything about the WP to accommodate that feature. The same way time-critical things can be controlled by a desktop Windows system – it just sends it a pack of instructions, and rest is done internally.
I think the whole PV might be built around the 2. option. They did have plans to go with Linux after all.
“That’s actually true, Xenon flashes in a very short period of time (more than 1/10th of a typical LED flash) and you need to synchronize it precisely with the shutter in order to have any gains from it – which can be notoriously difficult on non-RT OSes.”
So many paragraphs of nonsense. I guess it’s a miracle that that Android camera manages to take pictures with flash, oh wait, they are using a RT patched Android kernel, right.
Just saw this link in the HTC phone comments:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151012486122397&set=a.338008237396.161268.36922302396&type=3
It does indeed sound like another Pureview hint (the pic would be a crop in a much larger pic). OR could be a 3D/photo quality mapping hint? Likely the former. Or both.
Looks good but why so much space after the buttons, I hate all that black space on top and bottom of mobiles these days. Still it’s rumour
So, it seems the Phi was the Lumia 920 if this is to be trusted. My suspicions on that one were not warranted. Time to put that idea to rest, I guess. (Although the Arrow is very similar, some of the pics have been of Arrow.)
I’m not still convinced, but it could be I was wrong about the 4″ N9-chassis. I’m shocked as well.
Well, Lence on the first page of comments claims the second picture is the 820 and the first pic the 920.
Who the heck knows.
But 4.5″ instead or rumoured 4.7″ would go some way towards explaining why my measurements were below 4.7″…
I’m using the 4.3 inch and love it. Those older phones we used to carry were big, they just didn’t have a screen. Bigger is big print, big movies,big games! Love it.
nothing new!
hello jollaphone or.iphone 5
am planning to grab nokia 808. the best camera phone for the next three years
hope it is just a rummor. otherwise disappointed. Waiting for Jolla
That 920 looks like my next phone, but please, please Nokia, use a small bezeled design. 4.5″ screen is ok, but not when the entire devices is as big as a 5.7″ one from the competition.
Peter_L just linked to this on the IRC. Confusion continues/intensifies (as they don’t look exactly like either one of the renders, although close to the first one): are the renders old (or in some way fake), or are these pics of an old proto or a regional variant?
http://wmpoweruser.com/no-more-renders-real-pictures-of-the-nokia-arrow-leak-looks-pretty-good/
guys u need to check this out lumia 820 prototype live pics ….
http://www.theverge.com/2012/8/31/3282515/nokia-lumia-820-images-leak?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+WinRumors+%28WinRumors%29
What the hell, im confused now, THIS http://www.theverge.com/2012/8/31/3282515/nokia-lumia-820-images-leak?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+WinRumors+%28WinRumors%29
i know is a proto but would look very similar in its final version right? so how come it doesnt look like the arrow here in this blog post. Also doesnt look like the more rounded arrow in yellow color leaked a couple of days back? Could these renders be fake then? and the lumia 920 is totally different?
Maybe nokia intentially leaked us fake pics LOL
hope the 335MB of RAM are just for this proto. It’ll be a real shame for sub 1GB for an 8XX series
I doubt that they will downgrade specs for next gen devices. It’s either lower tier phone or just proto specs.
That’s free RAM afaik.
All WP8 devices are launching with 1GB RAM.
I hope they have good amount of facts to explain why the hell the bezel is 1 inch at bottom. This is making the device ugly…yes it’s ugly as per modern standards…In a time when manufacturers are trying to fit as big a screen as they can in a smallest possible chassis…What a waste…!!!
Please take another look at the device before bashing me for saying it UGLY…
Interesting…
Both are fake. Remember the many leaks of N9. Eventually it turned out to be something else altogether.
I’m the biggest Nokia fan – I’ve had the 7710 tablet, 9300 Communicator, 8800 Scirroco, 8600 Luna, 8800 Saphire Arte, E71, E52, N900, C7, and I use an N9 currently.
And I can honestly say that the 920 looks like a direct iPod Nano ripoff!!!!
Hmmm…but you don’t think your N9 is a ipod nano ripoff? It’s the same form-factor?!?!
You’re right, but the 920 would’ve been soooo much better w/a Harmattan successor (i.e. Vanilla -real- MeeGo).*
Oh well, we’ll just have to deal with what’s being shoved down our throats, may get used to the taste, if not there’s always Jolla (touch wood).
*I own a 900 & N9, would’ve LOVED a N9 successor w/improved hw/sw, at least 2 were well-advanced, but they were scrapped sadly.