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MNB RG: Marko Ahtisaari wears Live Tiles to Finnish independence day reception? Stephen Elop present too.

| December 6, 2012 | 96 Replies

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As Ali said earlier, Happy Independence Day, Finland!

Janne shares the post below where both Marko Ahtisaari and Stephen Elop attended the Finnish president’s annual Independence Day celebrations. Marko was said to be seen wearing Lumia like tiles on his tie.

Nokia’s design chief (and son of former Finnish president Martti Ahtisaari) Marko Ahtisaari, who just launched Lumia 620 in Paris yesterday, is attending the Finnish president’s annual independence day reception today in Helsinki. His tie was sporting a little too Lumia live tiles color blocks look to be just a coincidence. I’m sure a picture will pop up online later.

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Edit (Ali): Benz was kind enough to drop a picture of Marko’s Live Tile inspired tie down below, so here it is:

Stephen Elop also attends: http://media.shootitlive.com/iltasanomat/42/OGmXnewDiPnW4CNBqmA3GQMLnjF_1200.jpg

Today December 6th is the 95th Finnish independence day. The president’s independence day reception is the major fashion outing in the Finnish social scene. Last year the wife of Rovio’s Peter Vesterbacka’s wife was wearing an Angry Birds dress at the same event.

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  • http://aligonemobile.blogspot.com/ Aliqudsi

    Is it just me or does ELop look ill?? Also I thought he had grey/white hair; not the light brown/aubrun (the white suit him better)

    • Janne

      Inside Elop looked perfectly normal. I guess that is just a bad photo.

      I saw Elop and Ahtisaari on TV (they all line up to shake the president and his wife). I missed the Jolla guy, I heard him being introduced though.

      Ahtisaari’s wife is stirring up a controvery (she’s done it before) this year too by wearing basically a teddy bear. So a Live Tiles look-alike tie next to that wasn’t that major. :)

      • Janne

        BTW: The teddy bear is on the bottom half of the wife’s dress – obscured in the photo linked here.

      • jiipee

        Marc from Jolla

        http://t.co/AKIcN7BO

        • Janne

          Thanks. The TV was on and I heard YLE introduce his and tell the audience Jolla is introducing a new smartphone, but then he was gone before I got to see it. :) But I’m sure a lot of people in Finland now know about Jolla.

        • MOOking

          i never knew he had a disability( shorter arm) to be in public’s view and not give a shit…i think that is more inspiring then anything else

      • Hannele

        .. I trust that Janne meant that ‘shaking hands’ with the president and his wife .. ;) not shake them literally

        • Janne

          ;)

    • jodiac
      • twig

        LG makes Nexus? Life cycle of 6 months.

  • twig

    I think he’s just freezing in the cold waiting in line. Look at the fur coat keeping the lady warm behind him. Stocking hat on camera guy, yep Elop just wants inside where its warm.

  • meh
  • Benz

    Well, I don’t know, is it live tiles or not? I guess it’s in the eye of the beholder…

    http://media.shootitlive.com/iltalehti/89/PiOA31FISOPoqrWZdoEhV45zsS1_1200.jpg

    :)

    • Janne

      Great, you found a photo. I took a while to find one, but didn’t.

      I agree the colors weren’t a perfect match, I don’t think it was made for the purpose (just bought as is), but the coincidence is a bit too much considering people normally don’t wear a tie to this event. :)

      He is a not wearing a suit you normally have a tie with…

      • Janne

        E.g. this video around 0:30 shows the Lumia Live Tiles inspired color block theme that was prevalent at e.g. Nokia World 2011 for example, all around… I think Marko’s tie is quite a bit like that.

      • Noki

        Live horizontal stripes?

        • Janne

          If you have paid any attention to Nokia Lumia marketing, his tie does look plenty familiar.

          As far as I can tell he is wearing the formal evening tailcoat, which with you use a bow tie (like Elop does).

          So the choice to have that tie with colorful rectangles seems quite intentional. :)

          Hey, could be a coincidence, but I don’t think so…

          • hary

            I agree, it can’t be co-incidental, unless his dressing sense is not good.
            To me, that tie style isn’t looking that great. But since he may have done it intentionally, then I can understand about the dressing choice.

    • jodiac

      It’s too ugly to be a tie of such a wonderful person. Looks ugly and cheap.

      • MOOking

        that wonderful person just know how to market and speak well just like eg.Quinton Terintino all talk and is recognized for the shit he hasn’t done…marco is all face

  • Doug

    Elop should not have been invited for butchering Nokia.

    • Janne

      Just as a side note: I think he has been invited in past years too (at least once), but didn’t attend?

      • Noki

        saying goodbye? ;) wishful thinking hehhehe

        • Janne

          Not impossible. Many speculate he is just a transitional CEO and leaving next year no matter what.

      • muerte

        Actually, this was the first time he was invited :)

        • Janne

          Now that you say it, latest reports seems like that is the case indeed. In 2010 and in 2011 some media reports made it sound like he had been invited, but chose not to attend.

          Our previous socialist president thought otherwise, it seems. Quite surprising, actually. This year, in with the capitalist president and Elop too. :)

          • Noki

            Not sure you guys are aware of the protocol in this things, but Usually invitations are never declined, what happens is that they are only sent if previously accepted. the invitation is a very formal thing…

            • Janne

              I’m not sure if you are Finnish, but as far as I can tell it isn’t at all unheard of to decline invitations to this event, especially for international types of people (think of Finnish NHL players or the like). Some Finnish MPs also skip it, because they get invited every year.

              On the other hand, many regular Finnish people find it a once-in-a-lifetime type of invite they’d never decline if they’d be invited. I doubt Stephen Elop as a Canadian would necessarily think like that, but I’m guessing his interest in being there is quite genuine – me being the Elop-apologist and all. ;)

              • Viipottaja

                I was invited to the Embassy reception yesterday but forgot to reply/go.. oopps… Oh well, its a fairly low key thing here. :)

                • Janne

                  You’ll be banned for life now. :)

                • Noki

                  Are you sure its the exact same thing?

                  • Janne

                    It isn’t the same. But as far as I can tell, and I’ve been following this for a number of years, invites to the Finnish independence day reception are not pre-screened for confirmations – at least not for people like Elop. There are plenty of examples of people getting invited and then declining.

                    So, apparently Elop truly hadn’t been invited before. It did surprise me, but then we did have a socialist president (and now we don’t). Maybe some ginny-pig-blowing-up artist on tax-payers art grant money took precedence. ;)

                  • Viipottaja

                    Are you asking me? No, of course not. :) Like I said, its a fairly low key event here at the Embassy. At least it was last time I went, the new Ambassador may of course have pumped things up. :P

                  • Viipottaja

                    But it was the Independence Day reception, if that’s what you mean. Not sure why they had it yesterday, I guess the Ambassador could not do it today.

  • EmmanuelM

    Shame to the finish president to invite somebody that destroyed the largest and most successful company in his country !

    • Janne

      Maybe the president doesn’t share your view?

      Look, under Elop’s guidance Nokia has messed up a great deal I’ll grant you that (the Symbian transition and WP7 market penetration for example). We’ll see come Q4 results if he stays or goes.

      But looking at Nokia products now, the 920, 820, 620, even the 510, and the beautiful accessories, the Here service… all that. You just can’t help but feel that they finally have a good product after all the years in the dark. These are innovative, best on the market stuff.

      If they fail now, at least they fail with great products. Perhaps I’d rather have that then succeeding with N97 type of turd.

      • everlfr

        if not Elop, Nokia would be producing beautiful Meego phones by now. that is: Beautifula software and hardware.

      • nn

        Aha, we are starting to get to the eternal epitaphs: at least we tried and we made great things!

        It of course doesn’t matter that most of the innovation was actually killed and this is just remnants of former efforts, and that the products are great for something like 2 % of people at max.

        • Janne

          Hey nn! Long time, no trolling! ;) We’ll leave the epitaphs for the Q4 results if need be.

          Until then, I’m appreciating Nokia actually delivering great, best on the market products. I think Lumia 920 may be the first product form Nokia since the N95 that actually as a package (compared to prevailing market conditions) delivers – all the products from Nokia in-between have been compromised somehow, yes including the first generation Lumia family.

          N95 and now Lumia 920 are the pinnacle out there. Combined with the accessories and great sister-products like Lumia 620, the second generation Lumia is stunning.

          And that’s great. As is Finland’s 95th independence day, too.

          • Dr.Smart

            Do you mean, best on the market among the WP phones? If not, you are missing out whole lot of things.

            • Janne

              No, I mean best on the market type of phones. N95 was missing some things compared to first iPhone too, but overall I think we can all agree N95 was one of the best phones of its time. Maybe the best. Since then Nokia has foundered with all of their smartphones (mainly because they messed up the touch transition and too all sorts of false starts related to that), until now.

              Certainly you can find some features (or apps) missing from the second generation Lumia family, but the same can be said of any of the best three phones – many missing things Lumia has. The point is, Nokia finally has a no-comprimises, innovative, leading, high-end smartphone product on the market – something that it hasn’t had since 2007. (N900 was pretty darn close, but limited by its formfactor and audience.)

              Lumia 920 is finally a phone without many “buts” in recommending or buying it. Sure, some can say weight or number of apps, but that’s pretty much it. Add in Lumia 820 and 620 as options for those wanting something smaller or cheaper and you have one very attractive family of phones.

              • Benz

                +1

              • nn

                You should make sure you prepend all the praising of WP phones with “I think” and “For me” so random wanderers inadvertently don’t get the impression you think these ideas are shared by wider population.

                Although you single handedly dismiss all phones after N95 and up until WP, Nokia in fact still delivered phones that tens of millions others liked and that were far more popular than 920 ever will be even without accounting for industry growth.

                While 920 fixes some previous deficiencies of Lumia line, it still doesn’t have uncompromising HW in comparison to other offerings, mainly due to the dictate from MS. And the main unfixable problem, which is killing this phone (or any other phone), is of course WP itself.

                • Janne

                  No, I single-handedly dismiss all phones after N95 up until second generation Lumia. :) This includes the first generation, which while nice phones, were too compromised to be “best on the market type of phones”. Think of the Lumia 900 launch, or even the N9 launch, while there were things lauded – it was generally agreed they were last year’s hardware with very little hardware innovation there. I think the last Nokia to come close to competition was N900, but for obvious reasons it probably can’t be included on this list. Last time N95 was heads and shoulders above competition, although iPhone was opening a new tangent – still, N95 is probably the last, the best pre-touch smartphone out there.

                  And no, this isn’t about market success in numbers (we know many cases where the best has lost to worse in this world), it is about having the best product in the high-end or smartphones. And I think for a number of years Nokia’s “best” was severly lacking and compromised when compared to the best of the competition. Think of N96, N97, N8, N9 or Lumia 800/900. Some of these were nice phones in some regards, but not really in competition for the title of overall best high-end smartphone. There was always that “but”. Even the N9, which was widely liked as a software offering, was in the end quite a bit behind the competition in terms of hardware progress and innovation (and of course the ecosystem issue was there, partly self-inflicted, but it would have been hard even without it – like for early Lumias).

                  The second-generation Lumia family IS in that play, even if you dislike the strategy or dislike the UX or the companies behind it – or think they are going to fail. Failing has nothing to do with having the best product out there. Hey, maybe had Nokia stayed with MeeGo the new MeeGo 920 would have been best or even better, I’m not necessarily arguing that. I’m just saying – finally, finally, Nokia has a serious contender in the high-end of smartphones – that is the family of second-generation Lumia products.

                  Funnily, I saw a guy swapping his old, banged up N95 to Lumia 920 recently. He said finally there was un upgrade. :)

                  I agree.

                  • Dr.Smart

                    Amen..

                    The level of polish and technology has gone up. And Nokia is just keeping up. L920 is nice but that’s all.

                  • nn

                    Can’t argue with the “best on the market type of phones”, because it’s entirely subjective category. For you 920 is there, for me it’s N9 (with N900, if you can find it on the market) and 920 doesn’t make it to the list by any stretch of imagination. On that last point it seems I’m not alone.

                    But I can see the line of reasoning. If you declared 920 as one of the best, then in the post mortem you will raise the at-least-we-tried flag and claim the strategy was sound, WP was competitive OS and they delivered superb phones, the problem was marketing, execution, unforeseen events or whatever. But definitely not the strategy and not the OS.

                    You can’t ignore the sales numbers. For consumer product it’s the definitive measure of what is and isn’t best. And it’s especially important when your definition of best phone is clearly at odds with the majority definition. Of course if Nokia wants to produce limited series phones for enthusiasts, then it’s OK, but I had the impression Nokia wants to be mass market manufacturer.

                    • Janne

                      I wasn’t arguing the importance of sales. Obviously they are the factor that will determine the success or lack of success for the strategy. We will discuss how that is going, come the Q4 results. :)

                      I was merely saying that at least we can applaud Nokia for fixing the product. I think we can and I can see a wide range of experts and analysts and critics and wide range of public opinion agreeing that Nokia finally brings a commendable product on the table after all the lost years.

                      Will it succeed? Maybe. Maybe not. Could Nokia have reached a point where they have a great product and better success on the way there? Probably. Did they fail trying that? Of course they did. But in my view none of that changes the greatness of Nokia’s product offering now.

                      I think it deserves to succeed. But I also know from experience that not all things that deserve to succeed, do…

                    • nn

                      You are ignoring the possibility that people themselves are deciding whenever phone is or isn’t best and then making purchase accordingly, that the fixing is in fact breaking. Lumia+WP is simply the best and if the sales don’t pan out, it’s because people didn’t get the message, there were parts shortages, etc., but we can’t blame Elop for selecting and delivering the best. And btw, saying sales determine success or failure is just tautology.

                      If I say wide range of experts and analysts and critics are essentially telling the same story they were telling about previous WP instances, do you have any solid data to refute it and support your claim? Because if not then what you wrote is more statement about what you read and remember rather than about the actuall standing of new Lumias.

                      Q4 won’t tell you anything new, it’s just next data point added to two years of WP history, and point that wont significantly diverge from the history.

                    • Janne

                      nn: We always end up doing these circles. :) As for people choosing the best phone for themselves, obviously that is true. People choose for various reasons whatever they choose. That may or may not have anything to do with what market watchers might consider best.

                      But I do think the notion that only sales success would determine the best product is flawed. As is the idea that nobody is an authority to name the best on market products. I do think people avidly watching markets will spot trends that have merit. And I do think a lot of people are noticing again Nokia’s high-end offering at the top, alongside the favourites SGS III and iPhone 5 – many placing it even beyond those. This is not just my opinion, I believe it to be the opinion of significant many.

                      I do think many of those people are sceptical will Nokia succeed with a third ecosystem. That is true. However, they still consider the product best of breed.

                      You may disagree, but that is how I see the market and the opinion on the market.

                      We’ll agree to disagree, I’m sure. What else can we do. :)

                    • nn

                      I have one objection sir. If you want to talk about what reviewers and population think, then the idea that after N95 Nokia was out of the top is false. You may hate Symbian, but Nokia’s top phones were always considered to be part of the top race, because that was the reality on the ground. After all it’s the reason why MS gobbled up Nokia and why Elop could think he will get away with it. Only after Elop got into Nokia with WP and kicked out both MeeGo and Symbian, Nokia felt out of the top.

                    • Janne

                      You may have missed the critical opinion on N97 and later Symbian^3…

                    • nn

                      If so then you are totally missing the critical opinion on WP or Lumias.

                      And to give some small dose of sales reality instead of opinion – even N97 sold 2M phones in its first quarter when the market was only third of its today size.

                    • Janne

                      Keep preaching the numbers… Like that Symbian boss said, they knew they could sell any crap under the Nokia brand… Until the brand was dead to people…

                      Now they can sell good stuff again. Let’s hope it works.

                    • nn

                      You know, these numbers can remind you about the real world out there, and also pay rent and heat.

                      Always amused when WP fans bash the flip switching quote. As if the WP strategy essentially wasn’t bet that slapping Nokia logo on failed OS will instantly turn it into third ecosystem selling tens of millions units. Seems like there was more about Symbian than some people thought.

                    • Janne

                      nn: You’lll believe what you want to believe. :) We’ll discuss the shape of empire Elop come Q4 results.

                  • j

                    well the n9 wasn’t on par with the comßetition in all fields, but people liked it. like the iphone which was also behind in some fields..

      • Spede oli aliarvostettu

        The problems Elop caused with the WP transition are not that huge people seem to claim they are. The Q1 2011 results are pretty much on par with the analyst expectations. Elop’s memo had a little or no effect on Q1 / 2011.

        Now what would have been the element to stop the collapse of the market share? They were losing unit sales in Q1 and that was going to happen with or without the memo.

        Nokia was in a position to make a clean transition. However it’s not certain that they would have succeeded even with that one.

    • Antero

      It was OPK that butchered Nokia. They released crappy, underpowered phones under OPK’s rule and the promise of Meamo/Meego and Qt was never realized. As a Finn I wanted to give Nokia a chance with the N8 and hold off purchasing an Anrdoid device. Then when the news of N8 specs hit, I decided it’s not worth waiting anymore. ARM11 processor, low resolution screen, rumors of buggy software. I jumped ship to Android.

      N9 released in 2008-2009 timeframe and fully backed by Nokia would have won me back over but that was not to be. Lumia 920 is the first phone from Nokia that feels like a true flagship.

      Yes, the death of Symbian could have been handled better but it was coming. The software was just too stale and not competitive any more.

      • Trexus

        2008-2009, that’s hilarious, end of 2010 would’ve been perfectly fine, then the entire story could’ve been very different by now. But also a positively improving one, as “seems” to be the case for WP now, still very early days though ofc…

    • Viipottaja

      Destroyed or not, CEOs of big companies in Finland get these invites, probably to some extent through rotation each year. It would most likely have been considered a big faux pas by the President had he not extended an invitation to the Nokia CEO this year, given he was not invited last.

      • swain

        May be last year he was not invited for what he has done to nokia and this year’s invitation is just a sympathy for making things worst…LoL..: )

    • Viipottaja

      In fact, inviting Jolla is the MUCH more significant symbolic gesture from the President.

      • Janne

        It is, but considering the new president’s support of entrepreneurship it is not at all surprising.

        Kudos to him for supporting Jolla. There is great spirit in Jolla and efforts like Jolla. May it become the next Rovio.

        • Jiipee

          Supercell already is the next Rovio ;)

          There are a number of start-ups / new tech companies (not startups, which are based on one idea and exit plan is the only strategy) , whose CEOs may have deserved the invitation more. Not as high profile in blogosphere though.

          • Janne

            Not disputing these things at all. I just didn’t consider them relevant for MNB. How is Supercell relevant here, I wonder?

            Some say not even Jolla is relevant here… ;)

  • Janne

    Here is another picture of Marko Ahtisaari, showing the teddy bear his wife is wearing… and how his Lumia inspired tie is under the shirt of hsi formal evening tailcoat (with which one normally wears a bow tie, not a regular tie like he does):

    http://static.iltalehti.fi/linnanjuhlat/souniolinnaSL2_503_lj.jpg

    • Janne

      BTW: Finnish footballer Jari Litmanen is behind Ahtisaari, showing the regular bow tie setup (as is the gentleman behind him).

      • Simo

        Litmanen the legend! I bet he could still suit up for Ajax if he really wanted to.

      • yourmama

        Ahh…Litmanen, long time no see. His 94-95 Ajax squad could go toe to toe with the current Barca team no sweat.

      • meh

        Gentleman behind him looks like Hanno Möttölä. Only Finn who has played in the NBA.

    • DKM

      who is that 3rd guy behind Marko, he looks like he is strait out of Adam’s family comic. Super tall ;-)

  • Simo

    Goodness, for a man that heads a design team that is some hideous attire. And the shaved head doesn’t suit him either. He’s damn good at his job though!

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  • keke11

    Here’s a video interview of Mr Elop from the party: http://www.katsomo.fi/?progId=157352

    • Sefriol

      Interesting.

      I have to say that Elop knows how to put his words. Talented speaker.

  • twig

    Is there a reason for the bear? Some cause or something?

    • Janne

      Apparently there are some family reasons.

      Also, bear is a mythical source of power for Finnish people in times of trouble. Or something. :)

      Wall Street might disagree.

      • GordonH

        Same old Janne replying to every comment again, and again and again. Elop and WP needs lots of protection. Good work Janne.

        • not again

          same old gordon. bashing everything nokia,elop,wp related. again and again.

          • GordonH

            Never bashed WP. Only Elop, Nokia BOD and the WP only strategy.

        • Janne

          GordonH: You have to admit, I have commented a lot less this fall. :) And I intend to. Not as little as I originally hoped to, but less anyway. I have no desire to keep having this fight. It will be whatever it will be.

          But the independence day was a topic worth my time. Always is.

  • birju

    this is some cool video

  • Carbontubby

    What’s with the live tiles tie and the teddy bear?

    The tie looked really out of place because you’re supposed to wear a bow tie with that kind of waistcoat. The teddy bear also looked like it was glued on to the dress.

  • GordonH

    Mr. Elop needs to leave to Finland. Nokia sold off too many things under the name of cost cutting and some other fancy excuses.

    • Mark

      That you don’t understand, Gordon.

      So what would you do instead? I mean you have plan, right?

      Tell me what it is, justifying why you think it would succeed. Go on.

      • GordonH

        Wow you serious. You want me to start all the issues and points all over again and then have you disagree. LOL!!!

        • not again

          if you don’t want to start with all the issues all over again then what are you doing bashing elop again and again

          • GordonH

            And why r you worried? Elop has already won.

  • Janne

    Kauppalehti (a major financial publication in Finland) linked to this thread:

    Linnan juhlissa mainostettiin Nokian Windowsia
    http://www.kauppalehti.fi/etusivu/linnan+juhlissa+mainostettiin+nokian+windowsia/201212317837

    The title is basically: “Nokia’s Windows was advertised at the [presidential] castle’s party”.

    For some reason the magazine calls MNB a Nokia’s “own blog”. :)

    • Pep

      Anything for the clicks… Nokia is a magic word they can use to publish any sorry excuse of an article and get clicks.

    • Benz

      …and now Marko’s wife Liisa is saying that it was not a WP commercial :) http://www.taloussanomat.fi/markkinointi/2012/12/07/ahtisaaren-kaulavaate-ei-ollut-windows-mainos/201243425/135?rss=t96

      Apparently the tie, found from a London vintage shop, was originally supposed to be a bow tie. But the couple didn’t manage to make it happen (?), so instead it became what we saw in the pictures.

      She’s also saying that she has tried to encourage Marko for a more colorful wardrobe for years. She also makes a remark that in nature male birds have more color in their feathers than females. And that men, especially Finnish men, should take note on this.

      Oh well, is this the end of this Livetile-tie-gate or just the beginning… :)

      • Janne

        Actually, I think the press went too far saying it was an advertisement. As I said above, I never thought the tie was purpose-made, but something they picked up along the way and thought might be funny to associate with him.

        So, I believe the wife’s story of course where the tie came from. However, to think the Lumia connection didn’t cross Marko Ahtisaari’s mind… Come on. Let’s be real. Those colors are exactly like at Nokia’s AGM:

        http://mynokiablog.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/livetiles-600×337.jpg

  • sdf

    tiles is not his design.

    The photo shows that he hasnt got taste

  • sdf

    elop shoukd wear one red tile at his right testicle and another green tile his left testicle and then add that lunia black 920 between these two tiles

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