Windows Phone 8: The Facts and What It Means for Nokia
With all the rumors and speculations about Windows Phone 8; most importantly what phone (if any) will be upgradeable the internet has become a mess of contradicting articles and quotes each claiming something different, and usually each one is the complete opposite of the previous; so here’s in hopes of getting some things cleared up for you guys.
I’m not a saint – far from it- so mistakes are highly likely; if you do find a mistake please head to the closest authorities without causing a scene).
The Facts:
Microsoft hasn’t spoken a whole lot about WP8 (in fact as far as I know they haven’t even confirmed if that’s what it’s called); regardless there are some pieces of information that have been confirmed through multiple sources and are almost a sure thing to come in the upcoming update to WP:
Hardware:
The current range of WP are almost exactly identical in terms of hardware; practically the main differences between the current set of available Mango phones revolve around Screen Size (Largest Currently is the HTC Titan ii @ 4.7″), Internal memory (Most of the current WPs are 8 or 16GB; there are some 4 GB ones as well a couple 32 GB), Camera Sensor (Highest MP = 16MP on Titan ii), Front Facing Camera presence, battery Size (Largest is Lumia 900 at 1830Ma and Design. The rest however is usually cut in stone (My main issue with WP 7.5 is the fixed screen resolution; 720p has become the new standard screen resolution and no matter how awesome the Lumia 900s CBD NON-pentile display is wVGA simply can’t compete against a High resolution screen). Upcoming Hardware changes that have been confirmed so far include:
- Multi-Core Processors: yes yes, I know Elop bashed Multi-Core phones; but it would seem as if Nokia are going to have to make one sooner or later; especially if it becomes a requirement for the more taxing WP8, it’s possible that any Nokia Pureview phone might require multicore simply because the camera itself might require a dedicated processor (as it even has it’s own processor on the 808); and as we all know with great processors comes great responsibility; meaning if someone screws up the way they work you could end up with about 4 hours of battery life (HTC One X is a nice example of this- for clarity sake the OneX had some serious battery woes that were later fixed with a SW update).
- More screen resolutions: It was confirmed that the upcoming version of WP will support 4 New screen resolutions; Although there are no specifics as to what these resolutions are My money is that 720p is a given in this field, it’s possible that we can also expect a Landscape slider phone as those also required specific resolutions (maybe something along the E7′s formfactor?).
- Support For Removable Expandable Memory: Here’s the weird thing, WP already supports Micro SD cards, as the first batch of WPs (first generations that launched with WP 7.0) actually used Micro SD cards as the internal storage, and with some degree of hacking and minimal mechanical engineering skills (mainly some soldering experience) it was possible to swap out these SD cards for one with a larger capacity; but for some reason WP just doesn’t support them as swappable/Expandable (as in Android & Symbian)- hopefully however this will soon be remedied; and once Removable SD cards are available logic dictates that Mass Storage mode and file manager should also be available.
- Native NFC Support: True Nokia already have a NFC Enable Lumia 610 but apparently they went through alot of trouble to get it working; however WP8 should support this “Inside the box” (we use the phrase “Out of the box” for the finished product so I assume “Inside the Box” is fitting for software?)- the NFC support on WP can be used by a secure element on the SIM card or by utilizing hardware in the phone itself, as well as the usual tap to share; except that the tap to share will be Cross-Platform be it with a tablet, Android phone or a PC.
Software:
On the software side even fewer details are available on what to expect; particularly when it comes to the magic word: “Updates”; I’m not even going to bother going into what we know rumor wise and what we don’t; but my personal opinion is that it all depends on the minimum requirements of WP8; if Dual core and up is a must; or more RAM then obviously forget about it; on the other hand all OEMs would probably do their best to ensure that their customers get what they can so even if the current gen of WP don’t get Apollo/WP8 we’ve been assured multiple times that they will still get constant upgrade supports; perhaps liter version of WP8 mainly the UI changes that will occur?
- Unification: The basis of WP8 is that it should finally bridge the gap between phones, tablets and PCs; to get this done WP8 is based on alot of the same components as the PC version; making it light-years easier for developers to make their programs phone friendly. Another aspect of the unification is the identical UIs as anyone who’s tried out the consumer preview of Win 8 has no doubt seen the Metro UI desktop (large point of debate between Love and hate but that’s besides the point).
- Bye-Bye Zune: Personally I love Zune, since it’s light on the PC (at least when you compare it to Nokia Suite), it’s easy to use, and it keeps all my music organized; but of course as most things are it’s not without its limitations- and in this case they’re kind of big ones mainly the fact that Zune has a relatively narrow Compatible OS field but is yet a critically important factor in using a WP device; I was surprised to hear that Zune only runs on Win XP SP3 and above, meaning anyone with the original XP or a Mac are out of luck. I highly suggest you read this article HERE on wpsauce that explain why Zune is the weakest link in Windows Phone’s armor.
- Skype Integration: Obviously Microsoft didn’t spend 8.5 BILLION dollars on acquiring skype just because it wouldn’t download on Balmer’s computer; the main vision of this is somewhere along the lines of a proper Skype/WP integration, which would most probably mean making skype calls without even having to run the app (as if it were a normal phone call).
- Camera Skinning by OEMs: Currently almost all WPs use the same camera UI with tiny changes (which is why most camera enhancement apps comes as separate apps rather than baked into the OS- such as Creative studio and the recently leaked Camera Extension; the second of which could be a preview of what to expect in upcoming Lumias).
- Deeper Skydrive Integration: Currently Skydrive on WP runs as an external application and is only accessed directly through the OS when uploading images to twitter; however WP 8 will change all that making Skydrive your primary syncing platform of multimedia between your devices (Ex: you just bought a new Lumia 910 and want to copy all your Music off your old Lumia 800; theoretically you should just be able to power up your 910 and sign in with your Live ID- then get a prompt to restore old phone data or something similar to that.
- DataSmart: As the name would suggest Datasmart is a new concept that will be introduced into WP8 that will give users a breakdown of data consumption, more flexibility to help them control their Data caps, as well as optimizing the usage of WiFi whenever possible.
- Enterprise Security: WP now has a slim window of eating up RIMs rapidly declining market share, and that can only be accomplished by becoming a leading name in enterprise/Business mobiles; as most companies are now switching to iPhones as their company devices WP has to make a name for itself in the field; therefore WP8 will support native BitLocker encryption — the same 128-bit, full-disk encryption used on PCs, as well as enabling multiple Business applications to help setup internal networks within company firewalls.
The Future:
So far this post has just been a list of what to expect in WP8 from the OS itself, but what about the Vendors/OEMs? It’s useless to deny that WP isn’t going to grow, will it grow to the size of Android and Apple? I have no clue, but it definitely won’t stop at its last estimated 4% worldwide share; and with the upcoming release of WP8 multiple OEMs who first seemed to be testing the waters with their pinky fingers (basically slapping WP on leftover Droids) have announced that they plan on committing to the upcoming platform. Once that happens do Nokia’s words from MWC back in February stand the same where they said “Currently our goal isn’t to get the largest piece of the pie; our focus is on making a bigger pie”. Within the first quarter of a Lumia WP release Nokia had already earned the title of the World’s largest WP Vendor with over 36% of WP having their name stamped on it; I can only imagine what that number is now considering that was well before the release of the Lumia 900 & the 610 (However HTCs market-share also shouldn’t be under-estimated as yesterday the Titan II was sold out from online At&t Stores).
But as WP8 inevitably comes closer Samsung has confirmed it’s commitment to the ”platform as it would allow them to push out more powerful devices”, Also LG who have been relatively quiet on the WP front have promised some upcoming WP8 devices. These two vendors alongside ZTE’s Low end WP (which could pose a threat to Nokia’s Promising start in China) should not be taken lightly, Samsung have already dethroned Nokia from one title this year I’m sure they’d love to knock down a second.
In my opinion the Cause for alarm is the same reason as to why Nokia have done so well in the WP platform so far, simply put the Hardware is regulated; making the competition boil down to Camera, Design, Price and Software Services. Nokia Have the Design in their pocket’s hands down, the Lumia services are Beyond excellent beating anything Apple or any Android OEM have to offer with the completely free offline navigation (unlike HTC), The Awesome Mix Radio, Recently Launched NokiaTV and the long list of Nokia Exclusive apps ensures that Nokia are serious when it comes to software, Although the optical performance of the Lumia range has been spotty so far it’s not to be taken lightly since the promise of Pureview technology is coming soon to WP; and Finally Nokia seem to have gotten the pricing scheme right with the latest releases (at least when the phones are subsidized by carriers). However when the Hardware is no loner regulated there-in arises the problem, obviously I love Nokia (or else I wouldn’t be sitting here typing this) but for the sake of honesty I can’t recall a single Nokia smartphone that had some sort of earth-shattering hardware component (Cameras excluded of course); in all brutal and crude honesty Nokia have never been ones to push out the latest hardware on time first (recall this Meme by Jay?). In other words Nokia has got to step it up in terms of hardware output as well WITHOUT getting too cocky about their Software services, a major factor coming in WP8 as mentioned above is the skinning of the Camera UI; which HTC are quite good at (the camera UI on the OneX is pretty amazing if I dare say so- super fast captures, take images while recording, record in Slow-motion, up to 100 burst captures per minute…) once the doors are opened for Camera customization on WP you can expect to see alot of these features arriving on HTC’s Titan Successor (especially since it’s already trying to prove itself as a Camera beast); regardless if these features are gimmicks or not they are selling points and must be taken into consideration.
The answer/solution is a simple formula but a difficult one to carry out; Nokia has to keep their lead in the Software front, taking advantage of its special relationship with MSFT; expanding its entertainment and Mapping powers all the while upgrading their processors at the same time, not sticking to the same processor for the next five years. If WP8 is anything like WP7 (where it doesn’t require 17 cores to run properly) then the optimal solution for Nokia to make a respectable device without having to get into a core race with the other OEMs (last time they ended the Megapixel race with a 41 MP camera, I wonder how they’d end a core race?) would be to pull an “Apple-Like” vow of silence; NORMAL people don’t care how many cores are in a phone as long as it runs smooth; but if you tell them this HTC has 4 cores while the Nokia has 2 Cores; no matter how much explaining you do some primal part of the brain will believe that the 4 cores are better (MORE POWER!). On the other hand when all the consumer knows is that the phone “runs the latest optimized hardware” it won’t make a difference what else is on the table as it becomes an apple-oranges situation.
Anyways sorry for the long post, feel free to comment/pick my brain- however if you want to remind us how awesome Meego is and how much you hate Elop feel free to share it over here: WWW.I-Hate-Elop.Com and not in the comment section.
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Why do they keep making so many different models? Surely one low, midrange and high is sufficient?
Agreed. 3 seems to be the perfect number overall. Low, mid and high.
Pretty good summary Ali!
WP means the world to Nokia in mid-term. There is absolutely no room for delay or any technical problems (alike L900 where the damage control was done well).
In longer term I find it necessary for Nokia to have their own high-end platform alongside WP. Imagine for example Pureview and MS partnership starting 5 years ago. The platform they has had done development would have been killed in theemean time. Also, even with the added flexibility with WP8 hardware, it would be hard do add additional chips such as the one Purebiew clearly demands. MS might be on with one, but imagine if all OEMs would stary to demand two of theit own.
Btw what is the consensus for the contract term between MS & Nokia? Im excited to see how much room they have had in terms of differantiation for WP8
I dont fully agree with the previous with only three models. You need to have a matrix with several dimensions: 1. Price (high – mid – possibly low) in my opinion they should not mix the Lumia brand with low high end limitation 2. Qwerty or not 3. Screen size (pocketable or not) 4. Special application area form factors (sports (super watwrproof, durable), gaming, medical (specific sensor support) etc
I would suggest you to see this stat http://gs.statcounter.com/#mobile_vendor-ww-monthly-201104-201204 which shows how with every new Lumia Nokia share of market as vendor constantly goes down. Doesn’t meter how strong Windows wishful thinking is/will/would be. This does not work. And notice milestones for Symbian and MeeGo killing. Also notice “Unknown” which in general mean cheaper Chinese competitors using Linux (yes they use it) Android and also cheaper WP.
While you are here celebrating future publishing of 3rd party system, they are just selling phones and making money. And care for employees, customers and shareholders also.
Keep celebrating what is the most important for you. And expect consequences. Cheers.
Unknown are not just nameless vendors, updates to OS or browsers sometimes makes phones “unknown” for a few weeks – months.
Android has 75% of malware attacks. Cheers.
@Jaya
You are barking the wrong tree, if you consider me as WP fanboy
I own N9 and love it. I would have also liked – and still consider that it had been better alternative – to have dual smartphone platform strategy. And maybe prepare for Android as well.
Unfortunately that is now too late. WP has to succeed or there for sure be no Maemo high end devices in the future. maemo team has been split, Meltemi will take some time and there might be something in the MS contract that does not allow cometing internal platform.
No, you need at least 9. Some people have small hands, some have average hands and some have big hands. For each category of high, mid and low you want a 3.5″ class screen, a 4.0″ class screen and a 4.5″ class screen. Maybe you can do without a low end 4.5″ phone, but if you want to get the best phone for everyone you need lots of models. I’m sure Apple is losing sales simply on account of screen size.
Physical keyboards will also play a role, with a split between side sliders and vertical sliders in each high/mid/low and each screen size, so you’re at 24-27 models, depending on if a couple of the combinations are just not viable.
This has always been Nokia’s edge: the ability to offer multiple variants to different world markets.
And within those regional markets individual Carriers will seek differentiation through targetted, tailored device offerings.
Indeed, Nokia are not alone in this; look at the multiple device offerings from Samsung, for example.
I think one of the reasons Nokia has earnt the most criticism inthis area is their very ubiquity and success worldwide in recent years. Up to 2007 Nokia could do no wrong and Resellers and Carriers would offer.anything with tbe Nokia logo.
How times have changed…
i think 3 is great, but five would be much better. Each year they could make a new ultra-low range, low range, mid range, high range, and ultra high range(something that is pricey with ridiculous specs, very large screen best camera, etc.)
I don’t know why people keep saying this, it never hurt Nokia when they launched up to 10 Symbian devices a year. It doesn’t seem to be hurting Samsung at all either. People like choice, or at least the illusion of choice and three models just isn’t enough.
I hope that the new nokia wp8 will have much better camera’s. I am not very satisfied with the camera in my nokia lumia 900.
Pureview will be added to some, but to minimise size, they certainly wont be as massive as the 41mp 808.
if they make something of nokia n8 quality and higher, i will be very happy as long as there will be 1080p video recording too.
Agree, the camera on the 900 is horrible, same with the 800 and the N9 : (. Ugh, that pink center…
You had to add N9 there
Ali asked that no spamming.
Why not, it’s the same camera module in all three of them, the N9 has marginally better processing and a far better camera UI, but when it comes down to taking pictures – they all are at best mediocre, and considering their predecessor, the N8, one can easily put their cameras in the horrible range. I swear that my N900 takes better pictures than my N9 in most cases. Thankfully, I’m not that much keen on photography, even tho there was a time I was quite enthusiastic about it.
If the quality of images and videos was of a paramount importance to me, I’d stay away from all three of them.
the main reason I sais it was that it was more or less irrelevant to the topic.
I doubt that the software for N9s camera will be developed further. Ok, they might have the dame module ie it could be technical issues. This blog post is about WP and one should stick to the topic. One could then go on talkinh about the Ashas and autofocus of most of Symbian devices.
“with great processors comes great responsibility”
EPIC!
And maybe Nokia will end the core race with Intel i7 extreme edition in a mobile phone…lol!
Or maybe a processor that has FLOPS in Giga FLOPS range. Who knows!? NOKIA can do anything!
They will need to 4G for sure.. carriers are already demanding 4G, or they wont stock them,
…in the USA. Rest of the world except maybe Australia, no thanks. There’s too many competing 4G frequencies until various countries free up space.
what about an intel atom coupled with a top gpu.
Intel right now is committed to Android only
a snapdragon s4 or quadcore exynos is must.mostly i think even though dualcore nokia may use first gen dualcore cpu.
there was rumours that the wp8 handsets are being tested with s4 krait processors. and you will never see a exynos processor on a nokia. only samsung uses those chips and a couple no-name brands
actually there was a handset that was leaked in wp bench that had a dual snapdragon s4 krait processor.
They’re not actually, not as simple as that.
It is one of their main focuses but…
Nokia and Intel don’t exactly have a good relationship right now. But for the very sake of Windows Phone continuing to exist at all beyond 2012, Microsoft needs to either buy Nokia, or loosen their hardware requirements to allow other OEMs the opportunity to get their chips in some Windows Phones. You think Nvidia is happy that they were not invited to the WP party? Texas Instruments? Marvel? You think Samsung will ever really push Windows Phone ahead of Android if they can’t even use their own Exynos processors in it and are forced to buy from a competitor just to be an OEM on a platform they don’t need in the first place? Love ‘em or hate ‘em, Samsung is a bigger player in Mobile then Nokia now, and Windows Phone will not beat Android in market share ever without them making the switch to Windows Phone as their primary OS. But why would they?
WP 8 had better support more then just Qualcomm SOCs or I wouldn’t expect WP to gain any new ground on Android or iOS next year and continue to be the Nokia show with the few Symbian users who are willing to make the switch based on their love of Nokia continuing to be the force driving the platform.
The iOS business model cannot work as a pure software play forcing multiple OEMs to produce exactly the same phone. It will never scale across a multiparty environment. But, the thing is, if Microsoft is serious about beating Apple and Android, then they have to broaden their support for multiple hardware vendors. Since Windows Phone is optimized right now for just one platform, will running it on platforms from NVIDIA, or TI, or Samsung lead to the inconsistent user experience that Android suffers from? I mean, Microsoft is claiming that the reason Windows Phone is great is because it’s so smooth and fluid, but can they maintain that and also support all the various ARM licensees out there? Will the user experience suffer for the sake of increased market share and more love from OEMs that are not Nokia? Or will Microsoft just buy Nokia, and get into the hardware game themselves to save the user experience?
Because let’s face it, no one that isn’t Nokia and getting paid $250 million per quarter is ever going to push Windows Phone over Android if they can’t choose from the same variety of parts suppliers they can with Android. If OEMs aren’t allowed to buy from who they want to buy from and customize the experience themselves, then Microsoft had better be willing to work with every ARM licensee that isn’t Qualcomm to make a version of Windows Phone that runs smooth like butter with their chips.
The question is, did Microsoft bite off more then they are willing to chew? Cause there is no mass consumer revolt against Android and not a single Muti-OS OEM out there is pushing Windows Phone over Android as their platform of choice. Why? Well, cause it costs them more. Sure Microsoft gets a few bucks from every Android Phone sold, but they also have to pay for a license for every Windows Phone they sell so no advantage there for Microsoft. Plus, it costs more when you have few choices of component suppliers. With Android they can source their components from any supplier under the sun. With Windows Phone, only Qualcomm laughs all the way to the bank.
So unless consumers start telling Google that Android sucks, and they sure aren’t doing that now as Android growth continues to skyrocket, OEMs have a thousand reasons to favor it above Windows Phone.
So maybe since Microsoft has Xeroxed Apple’s Business model in it’s entirety, they are making a play for iPhone users and not Android? Well, then Nokia is their only play there and they might as well just buy them because if Nokia remains independent, RIM stands a better shot long term then Microsoft at the number two ecosystem spot currently held by Apple as they are the only other game in town that is both a software and hardware play with a new platform that is more developer friendly then Windows Phone and what is shaping up to be as compelling a user experience as Windows Phone minus the polarizing UI.
It will be very interesting later this year to see how it all plays out with BB 10 and Windows Phone 8 and whatever boring new device Apple throws out that everyone will call revolutionary for no reason whatsoever. Or maybe this is the year that Apple learns the lesson RIM learned two years ago, that you can’t put out the same phone over and over year after year with no significant changes and stay at the top of the mountain forever. But Microsoft wouldn’t know that yet either because even though they have been in the mobile game pretty much as long as anyone, they have yet to figure out a winning formula and reach the top of the mountain. Nokia, RIM, Palm, Apple, and Google have all handed it to Microsoft over the years keeping them a bit player in the Mobile space in spite of their desktop ubiquity.
Plus, I do believe in the Microsoft and original Star Trek Movie curse. Every odd numbered original Star Trek Film is Terrible, and every other release of Windows Desktop OS is terrible. Windows XP. Good. Windows Vista. Terrible. Windows 7. Good. Windows 8? Well, it’s not looking good. So I personally don’t see Microsoft gaining traction for Windows Phone 8 by leveraging the desktop version. Actually, if people hate the desktop version (and it could very well beat Windows ME out for most hated Windows OS of all time) then the tiles on the phones will become equally taboo over night. Success is not guaranteed.
It’s anyone’s race right now and there are many factors in favor and against all the players on the field. Apple could easily fall from grace, Microsoft could take Windows Phone to soaring new heights, or RIM could prove to be the dark horse of the Tech world and come from behind with the upset like Apple did in the early part of the century.
Ali wrote “The Awesome Mix Radio, Recently Launched NokiaTV and the long list of Nokia Exclusive apps ensures that Nokia are serious when it comes to software”
Nokia are not serious at all when it comes to software because Nokia Music is not yet launched in India,very important market for Nokia
and what about those half backed firmwares in Lumia 710,800 and now also Lumia 900 where some annoying bugs/problems like poor battery life etc are not resolved yet? and is any one using omnia w or samsung focus etc non-nokia windows phone? these phones have way better battery life than lumia phones and those bugs are not visible in non nokia wp phones
I have a 900 and have no problems.Zero. No bugs. I would not trust another company. Samsung and HTC are not showing the advertising support for windows. Nokia Music hopefully grows to all countries, u.s.a. also. If you switch to a Samsung you would never get it. I’ll bet you didn’t think that out before the bash did you?
Will is finally have “Bluetooth file transfer” ? Sorry its “third world” feature but I guess more than 50% world is “third word”, right?
i simply cant believe devloped nations dont use that feature.
+1
Perhaps it has to do with the fear of RIAA/MPIAA(forgot the acronyms) might get in their case if someone shares an mp3 via bluetooth.
That’s because the carriers rule here and they want you to use their data for anything you do with the phone, so they make money…
Believe it – the iPhone, which lacks BT transfer, with its huge popularity shows that BT transfer is not a necessary feature. Good to have, but most don’t care enough about it to make it a deal breaker.
the thing is, there is a lot that the iphone or apple can get away with and it is still considered acceptable or “cool to get”. Other manufacturers try to follow that but fail to realize that it only works for apple image.
no memcard/non removable battery/ no bluetooth ft/ mass storage = all apple’s doing that others follow.
It’s about getting the device to be balanced. They have done it and those missing features are not a problem. Now if you criple your phone with low quality software and no support, having those missing features just brings you to nowhere.
Actually it does if you have the whole package.
That is one of the reasons I do not own an iPhone. The other is reliance on iTunes. Absolutely hate the software..
You haven’t had to use iTunes for quite a while now. iOS 5 introduced over-the-air updates. You can quite happily use an iPhone/iPad without it ever being connected with a computer.
well only poor people that i know use that feature, pretty much just guys i know with droids that are really cheap in everything.
I use it regularly to transfer images from my friend’s N8 to my N9 and/or N900, as the former clearly takes far, far better images than either of those, and direct BT transfer is always faster than going through a cloud storage (risking quality degradation on some of the services). Not to mention that it doesn’t cost a dime that way, and only poor people pay for the things they can get for free – that’s why they are poor!
I wouldn’t really call my friend, nor me – poor. But you go ahead and think what you want, I was always fascinated by the people taking the `less is more` stance.
I must be poor then. I regularly share photos with my wife using Nfc tapping and BT.
Me’re ultra poor them
… seriusly, everyday we’ve to listen this kin of crap… BT File sharing is better than any other metods for transfer small data packages, why on the earth I should upload a image – with all the risk it implies – just imagine if you’re travelling you meet a nice girl take a lot of photos but you can give it to she because you don’t have service of the area where you’re has a really poor signal…
it means everything for Nokia.
Alright as a consumer this is what i need and expect for my next Nokia WP8 device.
1. Dual core 1.4Ghz or may be 2Ghz with a good single or a dual core GPU. (Quad cores not needed)
2. 4″ or 4.3″ 720P screen (1080P not required on a phone).
3. 12 or 16MP camera with PureView. (Xenon and led flash similar to 808)
4. 1GB RAM (with good multitasking) and a good solid built quality with state of the art design.
5. File manager with Skydrive integrated along with all the Bluetooth features.
6.Skype and all other IM integrated into OS (Similar to Meego).
7.More customization of the OS.(User decides how the OS serves his/her needs not otherway round).
8. All notifications in one place.
9. NFC with all the features whatever it can do. Nokia should be in the forefront in this technology as they were the first to implement this in many nokia new as well as old mobile.
10. All nokia feature rich apps should be free for nokia devices but can be paid for other OEM phones to minimise fragmentation.
the above list is the minimum requirement, and yes the device must be able to update to all the updates WINDOWS 8 or 9 can bring in not like android where only few devices will be updated to next version.
those are all wants >.>
u know, u are a type of person who knew nothing and trying to prove he knows everything and what he says is true, lol i dont even know why i am even repling to such a nerd, the thing is windows is best and top os in word in pc’s, and wp7 is new, and wp8 isn’t even released yet, u know something, android is big flop for more than a year and no oem gained profit till 2010, sory may be 2011, untill no oem has profits from android, so like this it will take some time to nokia to get into profits for windows phone, and its lumia brand is gaining importance in us and all around the world and wait for year so u will see the raise of nokia to no.1, lol am so stupid to reply to u
“…once Removable SD cards are available logic dictates that Mass Storage mode and file manager should also be available.”
If that’s true, I probably will consider a Nokia Windows Phone next time I buy a new phone. But I probably won’t buy one anyway if it hasn’t got proper multitasking. I would like to like Windows Phone as I liked Windows Mobile, but I currently can’t…
As for Zune and Mac support, WP uses WP Phone Connector for Mac (available for free in Mac app store) which works wonderfully, and syncs your iPhone and iTunes playlists (you can choose which ones you want to or not want to sync of course), and any video you’ve imported into your iTunes (ie thats optimized 480p mp4, several nice tools to take any divx or whatever and do that for you) plays perfectly even on say the Lumia 610. Also phone updates are done through this tool, painlessly.
This is contrast to Nokia’s own clunky tools which never got Mac support, outside of some strange syncing app that sits in the top bar, doesn’t tell you what it’s doing or why or what you even want and starts copying everything from your phone, and when you interrupt it you have to kill it.
Of course WP8 is supposed to have some other mechanism, I’m pretty curious how it’s going to work but so far it sounds good to me, more desktop independence
(Of course Symbian has mass storage mode so it’s no problem to copy music/videos yourself from mac or linux, but this leaves out updates, and for the average user a tool to sync with their desktop is nicer in daily use than browsing whatever /Images/Camera/[somenumber]/[someothernumber]/ on the device to find their photos)
It’s the Zune transcoding nonsense which (along with iTunes) pisses me off. There’s no need for it if the phone and OS support numerous common codecs like on Android and Symbian. Smartphones nowadays are powerful enough to run as standalone media devices.
Unfortunately using weird containers and codecs like Quicktime and Windows Media mean transcoding is required, as most SoCs don’t support them natively. The need to have desktop syncing is simply to enforce the walled garden around apps and content.
Well watching movies on my N8 was a lot of hit and miss, some played, some didn’t with only some useless error message (like ‘can not play’ or something, nothing helpful about WHY). Then you have things like 720p videos, more than the display can show, at a higher bitrate than necessary for playback on a 480p screen, and double or triple the filesize of what would be needed for 480p playback, and sometimes issue with A/V sync.
And of course while mplayer on my desktop plays everything, hardware accelerated playback requires certain codecs within certain parameters.
In that way I don’t mind transcoding, I used to do it manually for my N8 anyway, as long as it is done effortlessly and the result is a small filesize optimized hardware accelerated fluent playback with perfect A/V sync. As long as I can choose any file on my disk or network and have it work I don’t think this counts as enforcing a walled garden, it’s just a practical matter.
Of course if it ends up that you can only get media from a store or by uploading it to skydrive or something like that first, I’ll scream bloody murder
Nokia Link for the N9 on the Mac is actually pretty good. They got there eventually.
http://europe.nokia.com/support/product-support/nokia-link
Then again, you can mount most Nokias as just USB storage so use whatever you fancy. rsync works for me.
Before I’m redirected to http://www.i-use-the-word-fact-when-i-mean-my-opinion-or-rumors.com, http://www.i-want-to-speak-publicly-but-not-to-be-criticized.com or http://www.only-my-world-view-is-valid-you-shall-not-post-an-opposing-opinion.com – or in other words http://www.foxnews.com – as you have kindly, albeit covertly suggested at the end of your post – for the sake of MNB audience and a general public information I’ll give my take on some of those ‘points’.
First, in spite of the last paragraph let me mention what I really wouldn’t otherwise – Maemo/MeeGo (and Symbian, but since it wasn’t named…) supported all the things listed (sans the Skydrive, but it supports NFS and other standardized cloud file systems so any such system can be integrated), or it required really a minimal amount of effort to support them, a year/two years+ ago, so one has to question why did Nokia chose to sit on their asses for two years for their latest partner to implement the things they’ve already had? That being said, a long post awaits.
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Regarding multi-core processors – which is the point I want to discuss the most – PureView doesn’t require one as CPUs are very poor performers when it comes to signal processing. The 808PV uses the CPU only for graphic layout of the interface and for storing the captured result from the camera, the main heavy-lifting part is done by an exceptionally strong DSP and some of the encoding/decoding work is done by the GPU – even in $5000+ cameras you’ll find a really poor CPU just to handle the interface controls and file I/O, while the rest is done by DSPs. CPU is important for general system operation stuff – like multitasking, general calculations, UI layout, memory management, system management and control and such – little of which is required by the PV technology. Point in case: 808 PV has a really poor CPU. With that in mind, for the sake of both, the WP and Nokia, I do hope they’ll do it properly unlike Android pre-ICS (and even to this day some things are not there yet) where multi-core was used just as a marketing gimmick while developers had almost no access to actually use the added cores. It’s notoriously difficult to make such a thing good and usable in a managed, virtualized environment like JVM/Dalvik or in case of WP, .NET as the layers that need to be added in such environments usually diminish all the possible gains you could get from it while only increasing battery consumption. In that light, I hope that one unmentioned rumor-presented-as-a-fact above is – native code execution – comes to fruition. As a developer, I wouldn’t trust Microsoft’s managed systems to do my multi-core bidding.
Second, this addition while benefiting greatly to the WP world, again if done properly, is bad news for the current WP owners, especially the ones that just bought a device and/or are locked in two/three year contracts, as they will join the world of pain many Android users suffer from – core fragmentation. If either native code execution or dual/quad core becomes a standard for WP in just a couple of months, you can expect that a great many upcoming apps venturing beyond a simple RSS reader will not be available for your new shiny one. Even the currently available apps if they are on the more taxing side will soon be moved to benefit from the new capabilities and you can pretty much forget about further updates of them on your preciousss. Sure, that’s the price to pay for progress, but in this case the price is paid by Nokia as many people interested WP will wait half a year to see if the WP8 is what is all promised to be, or by the people tricked into buying the current lineage with an uncertain upgrade path.
Considering more screen resolutions – since both, the soon-to-be-obsolete Silverlight and XAML allow for dynamic layout to an extent, I don’t see the point in limiting the resolution to just 4 settings. Even Apple said that they are exploring greatly into improving dynamic layout on iOS, so that would leave only WP and Symbian as resolution-bound OSes. There is no logical reason why Microsoft would force OEMs to use only a few screen resolutions, and by extension limit them only to screen suppliers that offer those, just like they are forcing them to use Qualcomm chipsets atm. It further limits the ability of OEMs to differentiate between each other, reducing the competitiveness, which short-term hurts the OEMs and long term hurts the elopsystem itself. What made Windows a dominant platform on desktop is precisely the fact it never had set-in-the-stone policies regarding hardware. The very same path Android has followed in the mobile space. That’s obviously a winning strategy as both, the soon-to-be-the-biggest OS in the world – Android – and the soon-to-be-the-vice-biggest OS in the world – desktop Windows – both used the same strategy. Apple used the exact opposite of that, and they never went above 10% of market share, except with their iPhones which were a success more due to the lack of credible competition than for its own merits. I fully expect iOS devices to end up with the same marketshare today MacOS X powered computers have compared to the rest of the market, within at most 5 years.
Extendable memory doesn’t necessarily dictate mass storage mode or a file manager, as the first batch of WP phones w/ microSD card support have proven. Nobody says that Microsoft won’t use a proprietary file system on those cards to make them virtually unreadable by anything than the said device, or that would require a special driver (or Zune) to be read when placed in a computer. Given that Microsoft hasn’t even hinted at loosening the draconian policies of their newly found ecosystem – in fact, they are implementing them now in the desktop arena for Metro-based apps – I wouldn’t be surprised at all if they do exactly that.
As for the `unification` – while the rest of the points were either confirmed or dictated by a common sense, this one is by far the most shady subject. I have heard from various trusty sources within Microsoft, albeit not really close to the WP division, that it won’t be the case, at least not for this fall’s release. Some others think that while planned, it won’t be before the Windows RT, formerly known as Windows-for-ARM, which is scheduled for a release not earlier than Q2’13. Both of which makes me highly skeptical of the said unification at least not within a year’s time.
Bye-Bye Zune – this might only be true for Windows 8 systems, and they’ll do it by baking Zune-that-shall-not-be-called-Zune within the OS itself – they will still keep the proprietary linking between a computer and a WP device, which would still require a specialized software for non-Win8 platforms, probably still called Zune.
I can go on other points as well, but this is already getting too lengthy of a response. You’ve yet again presented rumors or your opinions as facts, just like you did when trying to refute with silly or misinformed arguments that equally silly and/or misinformed 101 WP omissions list, and calling your refutation as `facts`. I find that pretty much intellectually dishonest and I don’t think you’re doing any favors to MNB’s credibility by calling the things you’re guessing, at best – as facts.
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I have criticized Symbian flaws, I have criticized Maemo flaws, I have criticized MeeGo flaws, I have shunned OPK while Elop was still doing damage to the Juniper Networks and didn’t even know how to pronounce Nokia, and I have been throwing stones at Nokia’s mindbogglingly bad upper and middle management while Elop was sacrificing Macromedia on Adobe’s altar (tho I did shun him as well, even back then, who would have thought that the same guy would be destroying my second favorite company just short five years later?) – all while I was ostracized and shun upon by the very same people that today are defending the new moronic strategy and are throwing stones at Symbian, Maemo, MeeGo and Nokia ex-management they used to defend so fiercely as they defend WP and Elop’s management now. And I sure as hell won’t stop now when Nokia’s management have risen the stakes so high to set the world record in a destruction of a global leader in technology (no, I’m not quoting Tomi’s ramblings – unlike some things listed above, this truly is a fact), all in under 18 months of ‘brilliant’ execution. And I plan to do that as my past-time for as long as Nokia is around (which might not be all that long, as it appears) or they start doing things right for a change (which by this point I very much doubt is possible, but one can only hope).
If that’s not welcome here anymore, please do let me know as it is not my intention to spend what little free time I have discussing things that would do nothing more than anger the hosts of the said discussion. Even in my early teen years, I never understood the point or fun in the activity well known as a circle-jerk (and to this day I am still puzzled who gives them kids such ideas?), no way in hell I’d participate in one now, be it in a mental form or otherwise. In a group where everybody thinks the same – nobody thinks – and I do my best to stay away from such groups. If that has become the preferred behavior on MNB now, then I guess it’s the right time to say my goodbyes and thank you for all the fish.
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tl;dr: Sorry, can’t be presented in a lesser amount of words, maybe one day they’ll create a movie based on this script for the people too lazy to read.
First off I rad your full response, and I agree with alot of the points you made, just questions: which rumors am I presenting as facts? the only points I listed under the facts section are those that have been confirmed either officially by Microsoft or some high up personal in it. You can find the same “list” of confirmed changes anywhere on the web??
Since I’m for the most part responsible of forging platform strategies in my company I do try to keep myself pretty much well informed on the upcoming platforms, their features and what-have-you, and unless I have missed something, almost none of the presented points were officially confirmed or denied by Microsoft. Thus, they can go either under common-sense, wishful thinking or anonymous insider info categories; all of which are colloquially called – rumors. I do have this problem with misuse of the word `fact` – it reminds me of rambling creationists claiming for a fact all sort of crazy things, from 6k years old Earth to man walking with dinosaurs – and as I said, I find it intellectually dishonest to misguide the general population with strong words not backed up by concrete arguments.
So far, your list seems to be mostly based on Pocketnow’s `we promise you that’s what the video staring Joe Belfiore said, on a private presentation aimed for Nokia execs`. That doesn’t really fit my standards for a fact – in fact, it’s a textbook example of what is known as anecdotal evidence, and there is a good reason why such evidence is not considered – an evidence. I can go one by one point, if you so wish, but do yourself a favor and do a check-up on each of them, you’ll find most of them wrapped in a shroud of rumors and covert insiders, which is the exact opposite of a fact.
Once Microsoft confirms those, I’ll gladly accept them as facts, but until then it’s nothing more than a rumor.
Reading compehension?
“The Facts” Ali listed are:
1) “Microsoft hasn’t spoken a whole lot about WP8 (in fact as far as I know they haven’t even confirmed if that’s what it’s called);”
2) “regardless there are some pieces of information that have been confirmed through multiple sources and are almost a sure thing to come in the upcoming update to WP:”
The whole rest is those “pieces of information that are almost a sure thing”. The pocketnow video is “confirmed” by at least thurrot and foley, so “multiple sources”, and they are not outlandish, so is the thing you actually object against just the use of “almost a sure thing” versus “most likely of all rumours to be a sure thing” ?
I don’t know how you can read that text and think that the whole thing is supposed to be the facts.
How? By the bold title – `Windows Phone 8: The Facts …`
We had the same bold screaming `facts` in the refutation of that silly 101 WP omissions list, which also had for the most part Ali’s opinions rather than facts opposing the said list. I’m sorry for the punctuality, if that’s what bothers you, but the word `fact` had quite a strong meaning and I’m kind of sensitive to its misuse.
Further, I don’t think it serves anyone when rumors are presented as facts – it may actually cause quite an anticlimax and harm the said product once it is revealed to the public without fulfilling those `fact` features.
I think it’s clear there are not any actual facts about WP8 at this point.
You are yourself happy to put things as facts as well:
“Bye-Bye Zune – this might only be true for Windows 8 systems, and they’ll do it by baking Zune-that-shall-not-be-called-Zune within the OS itself – they will still keep the proprietary linking between a computer and a WP device, which would still require a specialized software for non-Win8 platforms, probably still called Zune.”
That is as much a “fact” as Ali’s “fact” IMO. Except your version goes against what Microsoft has been touting for W8 tablets, which is that you do not need to tether them to a PC to be useful, they can be actual PC replacements (nobody buys an iPad if they don’t have any kind of PC/mac, it can’t really talk to any peripherals, not even a usb host, and nothing wrong with that, but it’s a design goal).
They don’t want to maintain several syncing solutions, and even Eldar of all people has said the syncing in WP8 is very clever and useful (but of course this is also not a fact)
Anyway that’s just fussing about the language; you may well be right, but at this point i’m not worried, just curious
iPads can’t really talk to any peripherals? huh?
I could have sworn my iPad connects to my stereo, router, Sony Bravia TV, Olympus PEN camera and Canon printer no problem. Sure, it’s a subset of ‘all’ but it’s a growing subset.
You’ve not needed to connect an iOS device to a PC/Mac since iOS5 either. Lots of people buy them without owning a PC/Mac and even before iOS5 they’d get them set up in the Apple store and registered there.
Hardly presenting it as FACT, he says “might”…
Eldar lost all credibility ages ago, he should never be referenced nowadays.
Having said that, like you I hope that incognito’s wrong on this one.
“Nobody says that Microsoft won’t use a proprietary file system on those cards to make them virtually unreadable by anything than the said device, or that would require a special driver (or Zune) to be read when placed in a computer. ”
I see, and that would be because they are evil ? Because it’s just how they roll ? They’re not going to install applications on it, probably not even let applications use it for their local storage, it will be for media only. FAT will be just fine.
(Of course you may be right, but I think that claim warrants some more argumentation than “just because they can”. Why do you think so?)
Because in the WP7 specs you can read that the memory cards are encrypted on every phone, and it’s not readable on other WP phones or computers it’s locked to that specific phone.
The encryption is specific for every card individual so to speak, so you can’t change between different smart cards.
So until Microsoft officially says something else then you have to assume that there been no change.
Now a phone maker like Nokia might be able to add there own card support on top of WP that works as we’re used to if the specs allow it, but to long for OEM support for non supported features in WP is often a disappointment.
Those memory cards serve only to extend the internal memory of the phone, the filesystem is striped across and it may as well have been soldered directly into the device.
This does not count as “removable storage”, but I am sure you know that already.
It will be external storage using ordinary FAT, and be used to import/store/export media files. Not to install applications, not to store local application settings, but to exchange media.
And how do you know that?
You can argue that it would be the best solution, but you can’t be sure it will be that way.
Of course I don’t know for sure, but why assume they do it the hard way, when there is no reason not to do it the normal way (as we commonly defined removable storage).
Because they have not said that it will.
It’s safer to assume they follow they specs that they already made until they make an official statement otherwise.
The encryption was deliberately implemented as an security feature, so until they state otherwise we should expect the security should be the same for SD cards as in the specifications.
Now everybody would love to get an removable media that works as we are used to, but until they officially state that they will implement it that way, the most sane thing to do would be to assume it will follow available specifications rather then how we wish it would work.
So you can’t say that your wish of how it should work should be valued as more of an truth then whats in the specifications.
So i didn’t assume anything i read the specifications, you on the other hand went wild in guessing how it should be implemented and stated it like it was a fact.
If that were true they would simply call the current implementation removable storage, and not make a point of especially announcing it as feature in WP8 (courtesy of leaked video)
The encryption is implemented as a security feature, because WP7 does not handle removable storage, it just sees one big filesystem (notice how you need to hard reset to add/remove these) and as such can be considered the root filesystem.
Again, the specification for WP7 stripes the filesystems together, there is nothing removable about it, and hence those specifications have nothing to do with allowing the user to stick in a memory card to store media.
I will be happy to discuss this further end of June, when we’ll (probably) know for a fact.
No, because that’s how they’ve played the game so far, and with nothing more to cling onto but rumors, Occam’s razor dictates my default position. There are WP7 devices with microSD slots, and all of them are used as an extended volume of the internal storage, and are both encrypted and almost unreadable by any external means. What makes you think that Microsoft will take a different approach with WP8? Because that’s how good chaps they are?
Further, there are a couple of incentives to nudge Microsoft in that direction – for one, content publishers just love closely controlled systems, and it would score a major point in their eyes for the WP if it doesn’t allow users to directly fiddle with the files. Second, they show no intention of bringing down the walls around their freshly found garden – in fact, they plan to spread it to desktop Windows as well when it comes to Metro apps – and beside the control and lock-in benefits for them, a collateral is that they don’t have to worry about what user might do if given access to the file system, so they can write their apps more easily and in a more controlled environment – why would they give up on that?
“What makes you think that Microsoft will take a different approach with WP8? Because that’s how good chaps they are?”
The fact they don’t call the current implementation removable storage ? For someone with a technical background you don’t see the difference between striping the root filesystem over 2 disks, versus mounting a media-only external device ? You need to HARD RESET the device to add/remove the storage!
As for the walled garden blah blah, I’ll believe that when I can’t store my own media on the device anymore. Currently it happily transfers and even transcodes (optimizes for the device) any media I throw at it, from any source.
Feel free to remind me in July if you were right, I’ll happily eat my words.
Yet again, one of the few posts on here that make sense and are informative at the same time. MNB should be happy to have you if u ask me..
Now I really wonder if the 808′s chips can really produce the full PureView effect in video? There is little info on that matter. Or maybe I missed it?
Is the full PureView available only for still images or also for the video in real time?
It is the reason Damien Dinning keeps talking about how PV processes over a billion pixels per second in video mode.
It is used for video.
Interesting. I’m wondering about this because the processing times for a 38 Mpix image and one second of full resolution video don’t match. The first one has less raw data and yet it takes more time to process. It may be a badwidth issue so before making any conclusions we should know how big is a 38 Mpix image and how much one second of full resolution video takes memory.
Still I would like to really know if the video really uses the full PureView or just PureView.
For one thing, 1080p video is still just 1080p, which is barely 2 megapixels, which is a lot less than 5 or 8 megapixels. That and video is not stills, 2 consecutive frames are usually very similar, it’s possible to take advantage of that.
Anyway, there are plenty of videos where they talk about how it works (when recording video), and a whitepaper which talks about how it works (when recording video), which is all anyone here can claim to know about it.
That 1080p video is about 60 Mpix in a second. Now while 2 frames are usually very similar, the PureView engine has to do the processing before you can do the actual compression. In addition to that it has to do the video compression. Now I’m just curious why taking a picture is such a slow process compared to shooting some video.
There is more data in video but it is processed faster. Strange.
You can not seriously consider 30x2MP to be the same amount of work as 1x60MP. I don’t know what you’re trying to prove, but if it makes you happy, think you what you like.
What are you talking about? It was 1x38MP and 30x2MP. Seems odd that 1x38MP takes longer while there is more work for 30x2MP.
If you didn’t notice I was not trying to prove anything. I was just curious about the difference being that way and not the other way around. Usually more data takes more time but with the 808 this is not the case?
There can be different reasons.
One example of what might be one of the difference, perhaps when you take a still image, the camera first takes a black image with the shutter closed to read out sensor noise, and subtracts this from the final image. This of course does not account for a lot of difference, but it’s just one example where processing could differ.
You could perhaps ask Nokia, or tweet to Dinning. If you do, please post the answer here as well
@incognito
+100
The problem with Ali and other guys is that their WP praising feels like they ignore the rest of the world around and thus become terribly ignorant. It’s one thing to be fan but another is to line up behind any silly argument or ad campain just because you’re a fan (Of course I understand that Ali also likes WP)
For my part…I’m starting to look over at RIM recently …a company which never interested me but Blackberry OS 10 looks at least very promising. I don’t like to end up in a Google, Apple Microsoft world in the next decade! That would be a loss for us – the consumers (fan or not fan)
I may have mis-spoke I Welcome all comments and opinions as long as they’re not directed at intentionally causing disputes between the readers. Posting “WP sucks Meego rocks” adds nothing to the article besides leading to the usual “your face sucks” response. On the other hand people like Incognito who comment respectfully and on topic are more than welcome, if we’re all on the same page than there’s no point of even discussing anything is there? Variety is the spice of life.
However I think you guys are misreading something I wrote because I tried my best to leave out any Nokia/WP Bias- as the purpose of this post wasn’t to promote WP only to share what’s coming; and the second part were my thoughts on a required strategy. Personally I don’t like android but I give android devices credit when it’s earned; I actually admire Apple’s strategy alot, only reason i dont have an apple product is because I get the feel that iOS is too boring for me (I had an iphone 4 for about a month or so- but I passed it on to my dad). As for RIM honestly the only reason I never considered it as a phone before is because of how badly ti’s services have been misused by silly teenagers here (since we don’t have unlimited texting all 10 year old girls carry BB now; but I do agree that BB10 looks promising, the keyboard looks interesting as does the camera interface. But once again that’s all besides the point of this post as it wasn’t about WP Vs. World; more of a WP vs WP OEMs.
Hope my point got across. Cheers
There’s plenty of “MeeGo/Symbian sucks, X rocks” posts around too, let me assure you.
Just because you’re not always closely following comments in those posts, doesn’t mean they don’t exist.
Have a look at “Mee-Gone” as one e.g. of a user who’s been on a roll lately.
They’re the kind of posts I despise most, whether they be towards WP or Maemo/Symbian.
They’re intellectually offensive…..
Yeah I’ve seen Mee-gone pretty annoying; although he seems to be an android fanboy and basically bashes everything. Shame that peopple are so immature. One of the reasons I prefer DisQus comments is cause you can ban users… loads easier to deal with the likes of him.
He does seem to espouse Android, but I haven’t seen him actually bash WP.
Not that I place much weight on his opinion, heh…
Flame-Bait Removed
lol
Yeah, the iOS is all about trying to blend in the crowd. It’s not something you should use to differentiate yourself. I’m sure they lose many customers just because they sell phones for the regular people.
Android is pretty good for individualists.
Hope google pays you well for all this bullshit
Google WTF?
You obviously haven’t read many of incognito’s posts.
I hope so, too. I just have to find the account where they are sending me all that money so I can happily retire.
That still wouldn’t change the fact that even after what Elop did to Macromedia and Nokia, I never managed to form strong emotions of hate towards him – but if as a result of his misdoings I end up being dragged kicking and screaming into the Android world in a couple of years when my current devices become either unusable or broken – I’ll start hating him from the bottom of my heart.
Disclaimer: Saying that someone is, to put it mildly, incompetent is not hate – there are valid parameters by which any given CEO is rated, and Elop has failed miserably on all of them.
My sentiments in a nutshell. Except I already crossed that threshold and do hate him from the bottom of my heart – and all others that are responsible for it.
+1
Elop is incompetent for Nokia. But very competent for MS. Some guys here are being very supportive of Elop and pointing out fancy terms for the unethical business practices by MS.
Elop is succeeding in burning all bridges to Nokia’s own platforms. Burn those bridges so now no choice but to go WP7 “only”, which in itself loops to a dead end OS as WP8 is coming. Next upcoming fancy terms will be new excuses to go WP8 “only”.
Just please let us know if you will not reply on mynokiablog anymore. Im highly here for read your (and some ohters) comments. They are regularly more more informative that these “there was a rumor about facts” posts.
I don’t have any intention to leave as long as opposing opinions and argument-based, civil discussion is endorsed. What I find discouraging are is that addendum in many blog posts around here as of lately, especially in WP-related articles, that can be easily interpreted as – if you don’t agree with me, don’t bother to comment.
I am fully aware that such lines are added mostly for the rampant trolls with their `Fuck you Elop if there is no Nokia N9 successor` postings (mind you, the opposite entrenched camp is not much better, either), but the thing is – such people usually won’t read the said article anyway, and even if they do they couldn’t care less what does it say – they come here to troll, not to have a discussion. What such addendum can, however, do is to discourage decent people with opposing opinions, information or whatever to comment as that’s the general sentiment one draws from it. And you can feel that aura all around MNB lately, which is why I finally commented on it.
I’m not saying that’s Jay’s or Ali’s intention, but that’s how it translates across the weave of the interwebs, and I think it does no good neither for MNB, nor for Nokia itself.
an who is to blame for this super flame war since this company was evolving despite some previous problems and now its going backwards
and again: nothing about multitask and native api
All the same again. “this one will be perfect by next….” We hear this song again and again. But true is that Windows is not for smartphones. This is for users who do not care about most of smartphones features. And there will be new bugs, new problems, and another reload-reanimation of zombie-system. I don’t buy it.
WP is a high level “feature phone” (I hate this word) with smooth edges and 10 airbags included. Perfect for a mom or sister, but it’s not surprising that a lot of people (including me) were awaiting a smartphone world where you carry a small computer, not an electronic toy. Nokia dropped support for this customer group and what you call nay-sayers is just a group of possible customers Nokia said NAY to!
Hardware-wise Nokia also already has the rich recording, in addition to Pureview and CBD. I’m kinda hoping for a 910, and 1010 devices, where 1010 would be absolute king of the hill, no matter if the price goes over 1000€/$.
“Nokia has to keep their lead in the Software front, taking advantage of its special relationship with MSFT”
Now how exactly does Nokia have an special relationship with MSFT?
Beginning with WP8 there wont be so special.
And there Software front?
Doesn’t Nokia right now work on unified maps design with bing?
Bing maps is supposed to have the Nokia name in it in the future.
Nokia also brings live traffic updates to bing maps.
Most of the Nokia specific apps/software soon will be available to Microsoft and added to all WP manufactures.
So the other WP OEM is waiting for WP8 and will get many things that Nokia worked for for free.
OEM like samsung is rumored to work on WP devices with some of there latest hardware, and also are working pretty hard on software.
I guess samsung is working on dethroning Nokia from the WP throne as well.
Nokia has a deal with ST-Ericsson for novathor as cpu for WP8 devices and i thing samsung will deliver better hardware a lot faster.
So what have the MS/WP special relationship given Nokia so far?
Most angry users and low sales, apart from that an N in the marketplace icon.
I think Microsoft partners close with everyone and gives nothing special to Nokia even if they want us to believe that.
HTC also sold there WP devices with a bundled xbox and things like that.
I don’t think Nokia will be special to the windows phone customers in the future except from maybe the camera.
The only special thing Nokia had with the Symbian was the camera. They just continue with this tradition.
Not strictly true. Symbian also has fairly robust SIP support and supports VPNs making it bizarrely a better phone for corporate users than Windows Phone.
is another fail and deselegancy off this, ali and 10000+ for inconito, who have rigth is put his opinion in and dircursus whit education and very good points off view. no to pression and orders in this good MNB
HTC One X’s battery problems where not caused by the quad core processor, they were caused because the a bug kept the GPS always on and looking for a lock, and at the same time the software kept querying a server for approximate coordinates.
screenshot is of Windows 8, not Windows Phone 8
Don’t worry too much, those titles are coming everywhere!!
You guys should give incognito his own weekly post and put him on the payroll.
Disagree. Incognito’s diatribes should be posted on his own blog…if only he would take some of that $250k he makes each year from his apps to created his own blog!
I like that he argues about things.
You can’t only hope for opinions that fit your view.
A healthy discussion includes many points of views.
And how much money he makes on apps is irrelevant to this discussion.
I often find more information about things in the comments then in the main blog post.
That is very much true. Or he gives excellent insight to s matter from technical point of view. Ive learned a lot from his posts
I don’t think I ever shared anything about my fiscal status anywhere on the web, so I’d really like to know where in the world did you get the idea that I’m making $250k/yr from my apps.
First of all, I’m not an independent publisher, and second – apart from couple of general apps and games, I usually work on low-level integration stuff and system architecture which are never sold to the end consumers.
And lastly, I comment on blogs and forums in my spare time, I couldn’t afford, time-wise, to run a community, even in a form of a blog with comments; nor would I like to add that responsibility to my list. If you are bothered with my comments, I suggest you not to read them. If the hosts of MNB are bothered with my comments, I won’t post them anymore, no hard feelings whatsoever.
Awesome post bro , keep up the good work , liked ur work here.
nice post, I’m really looking forward to WP8 (or whatever it’s called eventually), but i would like to advice you guys on how you handle your blog, you cannot ban users when they don’t agree with you, it means you are running a dictatorship here, and even though people will comment and say stuff like Symbian or meego woulda made it for Nokia, instead of WP, they are expressing their thoughts (if only they know better).
I have seen posts on here where you take anti Nokia/Microsoft rants from other writers from other blog and make a post about it and bash them, that’s not the way to go, but rather do your best to educate them and be mature about it rather than get in mindless war of words.
you have to understand, some of these individuals have been Nokia users for more than 10yrs+ and seeing Nokia ditch symbian is wuite painful (just like when lebron left cleveland and went to miami) cleveland fans are still disgruntled!
if you start banning readers who oppose your views, then very soon this will become a one sided view blog resulting in lesser readers.
you just have to leave with the comments, it comes with the territory.
personally, I’m a 10yr+ nokia/symbian user using a Lumia900, would i use a wp7 if it wasn’t on Nokia hardware, definitely NOT! and i don’t think anyone should be defending the WP7 OS right now, it is lacking!
i just found out yesterday i cannot zoom while recording video WTF! there are so many features lacking in WP that I am REALLY looking forward to WP8.
So Ali can you do us a favour? I reckon you are using a Lumia, and I guess you are very experienced with Symbian/meego, so can you write a post on all the things you would like to see changed/introduced/improved on in WP8.
I can count A LOT!
thanks
We don’t ban anyone on MNB; but every-now and then someone pops up who only rights comments to purposely piss off other commentators, first off this is a form of cyber bullying; secondly it’s rude and annoying to have some unrelated topic be brought up just to push someones buttons; in this case we usually just edit out the text of the comment (see Mee-gone above).
As I mentioned to incognito; I love a good discussion and like I said variety is the spice of life; it would be dull if we didn’t have anything to discuss; but so long as we do it like civilized people.
I’ll try working up a list of thing I would like to see; but be forewarned that a list like this is highly opinionated; what I need/want is not what everyone else wants so it’s not a one size fits all deal.
yea, I see what u mean, when anyone writes ignorant stuff, just ignore them, when they don’t have an audience they stop talking.
cyber bullying is a sad part of the internet (there’s actually legislation in the senate right now to require ppl show their identity when leaving cmoments) but before i digress, its good to hear you are working on a list on what’s lacking in wp7, since you have used meego and symbian I am sure your list will suit everyone’s desire as well, if you want you can have readers you have the privilege of using both platforms submit their opinions on what they want to see in wp8 too. i know nokia’s already running their own survey on this, but who knows there might be stuff they missed, you know?
if as rumored samsung brings in galaxy note and galaxy s3 running on wp8.then nokia’s windowsphone dreams will be shattered.camera alone is not good enough to attract prospective buyers but latest specs.the novathore cpu said to be powering nokia flagship is now used in lower mid range samsung and sony device like galaxy ace2,xperia u,sola etc.