New Lumia WP8 soon, “Be excited…Be excited!”
Another thing just worth considering but not putting a lot of weight into. Makes sense to post now since a similar discussion was just opened in the previous post about a possibly new Lumia.
Yesterday, Dave Trevaskus (From Nokia – Nokia UK Academy Manager, met him at Nokia world, he’s a great guy) was tweeting about the Apple case and how it was great that Apple recognised Nokia’s designs by bringing up a Lumia as something distinct and original.
Makes sense as it’s a design many Apple fans themselves praised (various Mac/Apple/iPhone bloggers loving either N9 or Lumia 800). Apple Co-Founder, Steve Wozniak was one of the major iNames praising the Lumia.
I mentioned that Apple might just be following Siri’s recommendations, i.e. the best smartphone ever comment. Dave went on to say (or hint, I could be reading too much into this) that it won’t be for much longer (as another new Lumia will replace it perhaps?).
I replied that I was due for an upgrade (in September) and I hoped to be amazed. Dave didn’t say much, but just said:
Be excited, Jay. Be excited!!
Perhaps it is worth being excited about?
Or is it just Dave’s enthusiastic personality (he has to be as he’s training up all the other peeps in the UK to showcase new Lumias).
Last year we had a story about Dave (who was unknown to me then) saying the new Lumias would ‘blow our socks off’.
Well perhaps he was right in terms of design. Back then, June 16th 2011, the Nokia N9 was not yet announced. Dave may have seen the 800 first and as you all know, the first reactions people had to the N9 was to ‘blow our socks off’ right? So he’s correct on that regard.
Dave also hinted about the upcoming MeeGo device as being market disrupting. No one had heard of swipe UI, nor seen it. Only hints from Marko Ahtisaari. Come June 21st 2011, it was something completely new and innovative, no? Something actually market disrupting , with seasoned Nokia haters worshiping the design and the new gesture based swipe interaction.
I’m glad that Dave’s excited about the upcoming new Lumias. He hasn’t mentioned that specifically, but at a stretch and dot connecting, that’s what it is. It might seem obvious that staff will praise their products. True. Some on twitter that forget that end up finding new jobs, aka, the Microsoft guy who rated the new Nokia’s 8/10.
So, a Nokia Lumia 900 successor soon (‘not much longer’). Something worth getting excited about. Something that will come to the UK (and not wait for AT&T exclusivity perhaps?). At the very least, more confirmation from a Nokia source of new Lumias appearing. It might seem obvious now but only weeks ago there were also rumours circulating that we won’t even see a new Lumia this year.
The question everyone wants to know, although we all know the answer is no but like to grasp at some last threads of hope, will we see PureView Lumia this year in some form.
[from me to Dave] I hope it will be a great performer in the camera department :p if so, lemme throw some money at the screen
Dave obviously can’t reply to that kind of question. Nokia’s own twitter account has been saying keep eyes and ears open – as vague as possible to questions on Lumia PureView. As mentioned before, Nokia’s Stephen Elop may already be playing around with PureView Lumias – reason? Some doubters do not think Elop would praise a Symbian powered PureView device. Elop specifically mentioned ‘PureView Technology’ as the one replacing his SLR.
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How much does a person in his position at Nokia actually know? I have been following him quite a lot on twitter, and yes he is very active there and excited about everything related to his employer. But does he know much more than what is already public knowledge?
I would suspect Dave would have probably seen the device already. With Nok World so soon, it wouldn’t be too far fetched to guess Nokia peeps were already showing these devices to particular networks. Guess who’s the guy that might show the key UK network personnel this stuff? Just a thought, I could be very wrong.
Dave’s also been quite right (depending on how you look at it) in his comments last year about upcoming new phones.
“Dave’s also been quite right (depending on how you look at it) in his comments last year about upcoming new phones”
So if assuming that he knew about upcoming new phones, wouldnt it be prohibited for him to spread info about this in social media? At least for somebody not being at the very top of the company.
Yes, he would be.
But he didn’t mention anything specific that would give it away. His comment showed he knows something but he didn’t let on more than what was already known or mentioned before (say by Ahtisaari, who had ben bigging up this new paradigm or market disrupting interaction).
All current public knowledge says new Lumias are coming anyway. Nokia have an event that says Lumia on it. On the day of Nokia World.
I don’t expect anything exciting really. We know the platform, 720p screens on dual core Qualcomms + 1gig of ram and adreno GPU-s.. so there won’t be any surprises there.
We also know that there won’t be PureView pro phones, so the imaging will be mostly talk, no results.
Its all about design and materials, and if they fail to deliver something impressive there.. not looking good for them at all.
PureView is the only thing that would really be interesting. If not that, a phablet quadcore. MWC 2013 it is then.
Agreed, they need PureView. I’m sure the design is going to stand out, but that’s not enough now. The old Lumias were good in a sense that it opened people’s eyes (Apple), and they got the design going for them. But the camera’s going to be the x factor.
Over the past 3 years, Nokia kind of educated everyone (which I think its great) on sensor sizes, pixel sizes, optics, and how important they all are when it comes to imaging..
So now, it will play against them if they don’t deliver. As soon as you see a 8-10mm thin phone without a hump on the back, you don’t even have to look further into the details about the camera, in fact if its that thin, and the pixel count is over 8Mpix, it might get worse..best case scenario will be “average”, in line with N9/4s/GS3, but nothing to differentiate with.
No (relatively) big sensor/corresponding optics = no PureView.
Right.. and we are back to square uno, just like what we had with the Lumia 900, we knew it was just a “buffer” and not a complete product.. so why buy one ? Now the same thing, we know they have to offer a lot more in terms of imaging, so why buy one of the “first wave” devices..
I mean even Microsoft said that the first phones will have dual-cores and then we will get 4 in 2013, which should be enough for PV Pro tech..
“The first set of WP8 phones will have dual-core processors (most likely Qualcomm’s Snapdragon S4), while next-generation designs launching later in 2013 will have quad-core CPUs.”
I will not sign a 2 year contract for a compromised device.. no way. They need to do better than the 808 .. only then I might consider it.
What ever happens, I’m gonna be getting a new contract in September. If Nokia can’t live up to expectations, that phone won’t be a Nokia.
I’ll just have to wait until the right Nokia comes, sell that other phone and just stick the sim in of the contract in the hopefully PureView Lumia.
I see an iPhone 5 in your future…
I wouldn’t bother to be honest. The iPhone – I have one – is a bit played out. An SGS III would be better.
You have the 5 already ?
LOL! True.
If Jay buys that plastic toy, mynokiablog won’t get any of my clicks …
Man, Nokia’s had a tightly controlled curtain on most of their products since last year. That’s impressive, considering even Apple has it’s product leaking out here and there.
As someone who follows Nokia closely though, wish we can go back to the N8 days
what do you mean ? The n8 days were awful.. the hardware was ready months before S^3 got out of beta, so frustrating! You don’t want to go back there..
I know man, announced in April and released in October. That was god damn awful…i meant that they’re doing a good job of not leaking their products.
It sucks for eager Nokia fans, but good for the company i guess.
Oh ya.. well Eldar had a mole, so I think most of the leaks happened from there, as soon as they patched it.. no more leaks. I think they did an amazing job with the 808.. 4-5 years of hide and seek
There were some bits here and there, but not much.. and granted no one was going to believe a 41Mpix rumor.
Same with the N9..
One good thing about Apple presenting the Lumia as an example of a design that does not copy the Iphone is that Apple will never try to sue Nokia for patent infringement. Apple’s success with Samsung in court is really going to hurt the Android community here in the US, and could really be a boost for Nokia and WP8.
Nokia and Apple took care of all that a while ago. Apple paid up their dues, and now its all good…
http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/news/item/12991_Apple_agrees_to_pay_settlement.php
i think it can only be pv, what else is there to get excited about, a phablet is not so exciting since other manufactures are releasing them, but no one else has pv except for nokia.
when elop saw pv in nokia labs he pushed it for consumer release,
its reasonable that he also pushed it to be available on a wp device as soon as wp can handle it.
wp8 has many software improvements, the ability to handle the pv tech could be one of them.
well thats what i think, and wish.
PureView Pro (in its current form) support on NT is highly unlikely. I think we are going to get some marketing BS instead.
I would be surprised if we see a sensor bigger than the one in the lumia 900, since everyone gets a boner when they see a 5mm thin phone…
The sensor from the N8 would be sufficient for a start, but.. I doubt it.
I’m not believing at all, that we are going to see PureView Pro in the first wave of Nokia’s WP8s, either.
Nevertheless, this is a recent article in one Finnish technology magazine:
http://www.3t.fi/artikkeli/uutiset/talous/tuleeko_tama_huippuominaisuus_nokian_windows_8_puhelimiin
Juha Alakarhu from Nokia (we all know him, right?) says in this article:
“Changing the OS is not an obstacle”, Juha Alakarhu from Nokia assures. He highlights, that the intelligence of the camera is in the camera processor.
“It doesn’t have that much OS-dependent things in it”
So, in other words, Nokia is able to put 41MP camera in WP8 right away, if they want to. They sure as hell are allowed to use the graphics processor, the one that they have developed for 808, in WP8s.
it’s a little madness to think wp8 and the nt kernel won’t suport pureview tech. the nt kernel will be used for years ahead. of course it’s able to work with pv. otherwise they would have to sit on the tehnology and i don’t see that happening. but it won’t come this year. maybe presented at mwc in january and put on sale exactly one year from the 808 sale.
i expect a 12 mp sensor on the high end lumia in september. they have to move. sony has 13 mp sensors in their phones now, lg is prepping a 13 mp camera in the next flagship. nokia can’t fall behind again
Pixel count doesn’t matter, if they are small pixels..
For it to work on NT, they need a single SoC that can support the two GPUs, unless there is another way.. I mean Juha Alakarhu would know more than all of us combined.
But lets wait for the results in two weeks time, if NT can support it, we will see it there.
@dss… the kernel doesn’t need to support it because it’s a problem on the driver level of a OS. Nokia for sure isn’t splitting the work load parallel between the DSP and the GPU (processing one half of the image in the pureview dsp and one half on the gpu). That would be insane and wouldn’t make any sense since one half would be always slower (the one on the GPU).
Yeah, they can do the PureView with the WP8. They could even do it without any special chip because they can create the slow version of the PureView with software and large sensor only.
It’s actually probable Nokia will do a low cost PureView with a software solution.
Guys please enlighten me here can the snap dragon s4 support PV tech ?
it’s not about the main processor but the separate processor that acompanies the sensor. but the s4 is a beast, and i imagine the quad core version will be able to suport everything available
So does it mean that s4 can’t support PV ?
PV is not dependant on the main processors, but has one of its own, so pretty much any processor supports it.
Not by itself, and that is the main issue, at least as far as I understand it. NT can’t handle the synchronization between the two, so the processing needs to come from a single source, and that is not the S4.
Where do you see the need for synchronization and where is the proof that NT couldn’t do it?
If it’s not a PureView, full PureView, not some PureView Lite nonsense, it’s going to be a disappointment.
I mean what else do they have that is interesting? WP8 is the same garbage as WP7.
what do you mean with the same garbage? they didn’t change anything in the os?
Nope, still the same tiles.
You are talking about the UX/UI, not the OS…
Nokia needs to different it self from the other WP OEMs. This can be done by PureView. However, it can also be done with physical design, software and connectivity features. I believe it to be unlikely that Nokia is able to different with hardware such as memory, storage and CPU.
My prediction is that the Nokia as usual will have a distinct physical design. With regards to connectivity there will be no differentiation as the carriers interests comes before the consumers (please use our data plans with some overage..). Nokia will add some extra software features but it’s unlikely that these are really significant.
This leaves physical design as the only real advantage and a questionable one at that.
Agree with you.
Also, I think that if Nokia can’t perfect Pureview for the first wave of WP8 devices, they should wait until it is. But in the interim, they should definitely consider besting the N8 (and the HTC Titan II) quality for imaging – whatever it takes to do that (which we know doesn’t have to be Pureview).
I’ve saying all along, all they’ve got is design and materials, all else is standardized. They are an Microsoft OEM, nothing more.
Imaging is the only other way.. we will see if Microsoft can provide the support for it, I mean Nokia sort of already put in most of the work, so it just needs a simple port, right ?
still the same old boring boxes = tiles
Wow so your are happy with your dated icons and grids it seems .
Wow , talk about over playing the importance of the camera alone in these comments. 808 is, relatively speaking, a niche device, as was the N8. What you need is good and at times great pics out of a thin unit, like for example the iPhone 4 and HTC Titan have been able to do.
Don’t get me wrong, Nokia does need to bring pv to Lumias as so, but it’s not the only thing that matters and can exite or sell well. Nokia needs a few great devices for different segments. In fact I hope they announce at least 3 if not 4, including something for the lower end.
Pureview isn’t a big deal. Atleast not for me. It’s all about the whole package. Camera quality needs to be better than it was with L900 and L800. Even N9 was better than that.
Plus Nokia needs to give us a good reason to invest in their products. Not just because hardware, but software aswell. So called Nokia branded apps. Maybe a notification center of some sorts?
Agreed. Btw, the L900 at least on my AT&T is quite a bit better now after the Tango update. As for the notifications, all I wish they would make the lock screen notifications (which will be much better in WP8) “clickable”, taking you right to the relevant app/messages/email box.
Some leaks indicate that there will be better lock screen. Similar to N9 would be fine to me.
“Be excited, Be excited” as in…pretend to be excited…
Hmmmm , better than the 808 ? That`s setting the bar very , very high ! And I really don`t see even WP8 being able to do that . Not to forget that , for a supposedly niche ,the 808 is selling very well . But then , u people said the same thing about the N8 …
Plus , let`s not forget that WP , and WP8 , has several major strikes against it. WP is still as yet immature , current devices r not upgradeable to 8 , 7.8 seems to be a pale shadow of WP8 , WP`s reliance on the cloud (e.g. internet connection ) , a lack of features needed to succeed in emerging markets , plus the high end Lumias` strong resemblance to the N9 , which is functionally superior . That`s certainly not going to help Nokia or WP8 in China , emerging markets or anywhere else the N9 did well , which includes some European countries ! Last , WP8`s hardware requirements r higher than WP7`s , that`s not going to help either …
Don`t get me wrong , WP8 has potential , but only if MS and Nokia play their cards right . Given the above , I don`t see 8 as more than moderately successful , unless , of course , Nokia knows something they haven`t yet told us . By the same token , that might explain the 805 Belle , the 901Belle , the Asha 509 …
jay, just checked nokia 808 pureview fb page, they said “wanna see next pureview device? Wait for next week”
Checked but there’s about 50 808 pureview facebook pages.
http://m.facebook.com/Nokia808PureView?ref=stream&refid=28&_ft_=qid.5781483988417696660%3Amf_story_key.-6516553353345962274
If we get another lumia design in a blown up package ill pass.
yea right, and next year windows nine and the other year, windows 10 and so on and on and…………